South Africa team selection

[StephenZA]

Bryce Parsons ? He's only 22, he'll be playing SA T20 though..

Maybe. He is more of an allrounder... and I`ve looked at him more as batsmen than bowler. Darts it in more than gives it air...

It is actually a difficult question, because there is generally only one spot for a spinner in a team, and old adage that spinners take longer to mature... but still.

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[Kenneth Viljoen]

Matthew Pollard has started well for the Knights ,
23 year old off spinner has taken 16 FC wickets in 5 matches at 15.18 , can bat a bit aswell got a batting average of 38 so far ..

Pollard made 59 with the bat , 2/19 and 5/43 vs Northern Cape 4 days ago. Dane Piedt played the same match and had figures of 3/82 and 3/72 . So that's promising that a U25 spinner outbowled someone in the national team plans.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

It seems like the Knights have a great youth policy going despite their troubles..

Dian Forrester the bloke who got a hundred and 6 wickets on list A debut , made 87 on his FC debut ..
He followed that up with another 84 & 127 not out in his 2nd FC game batting at No.3 , 2/10 with the ball

 

[Stefan9]

I have been thinking about the Piedt selection and it is kinda a concern? I understand why he maybe selected for the NZ tour and that is what this SA 'A' selection is about... but who are our young spinners? I`m sure we must have a few, but who under the age of 25 at the moment amongst our spinners could become test quality?

Likes of Parsons and seleka have are promising but have SA20 deals.

 

[Krypto]

I have been thinking about the Piedt selection and it is kinda a concern? I understand why he maybe selected for the NZ tour and that is what this SA 'A' selection is about... but who are our young spinners? I`m sure we must have a few, but who under the age of 25 at the moment amongst our spinners could become test quality?

I believe this is purely around the SA20 and NZ tour clashes , most of our best players will be obligated to their franchises . Dane Piedt is not. Unlikely he will get a contract even tough he is the top wicket taker in div 2 4-day league currently .Bryce Parsons already mentioned is a good shout but has a contract , Caleb Seleka who is 20 shows potential and don't throw away Dewald Brewis as a potential Spin option either all three falls into your category however is contracted in SA20 .

South African Spinning options was always a bit bare and as mentioned tend to look at them more as all rounder's however from what I've seen there is a lot of potential in all categories , go look a the Div 2 4 day league there is a few young players already in provincial cricket and have opportunities , this wasn't always the case . Look at Matthew Pollard , Kgaudisa Molefe , Monde Maqunqu ,Lihle Sizani the issue is this doesn't translate to the premier test comp Div 1 with Sean Gilson and the above mentioned Caleb Seleka the only ones I think falls into young spinning options .

However there is enough young talent that can be groomed the question is does the South African structure look at these cricketers in that way , seeing that our current front line spinners both made their test debut after the age on 25 with Shamsi and Maharaj both getting test caps at 26 its unlikely that we would really be looking at spinners like the rest of the world .

 

[Stefan9]

I believe this is purely around the SA20 and NZ tour clashes , most of our best players will be obligated to their franchises . Dane Piedt is not. Unlikely he will get a contract even tough he is the top wicket taker in div 2 4-day league currently .Bryce Parsons already mentioned is a good shout but has a contract , Caleb Seleka who is 20 shows potential and don't throw away Dewald Brewis as a potential Spin option either all three falls into your category however is contracted in SA20 .

South African Spinning options was always a bit bare and as mentioned tend to look at them more as all rounder's however from what I've seen there is a lot of potential in all categories , go look a the Div 2 4 day league there is a few young players already in provincial cricket and have opportunities , this wasn't always the case . Look at Matthew Pollard , Kgaudisa Molefe , Monde Maqunqu ,Lihle Sizani the issue is this doesn't translate to the premier test comp Div 1 with Sean Gilson and the above mentioned Caleb Seleka the only ones I think falls into young spinning options .

However there is enough young talent that can be groomed the question is does the South African structure look at these cricketers in that way , seeing that our current front line spinners both made their test debut after the age on 25 with Shamsi and Maharaj both getting test caps at 26 its unlikely that we would really be looking at spinners like the rest of the world .

Don't see how brevis would be a spin option. He is at best part time. The fact that he is the very last option the titans use says a lot. They use brand & Ferreira well before him. He needs to concentrate on his batting.

 

[StephenZA]

I`m not a fan of Brevis becoming to much of a bowler, rather he concentrates on his batting... Parsons seems more suited to the role as a part timer particularly for LO cricket.

I like the way SA went during their best Test years where they concentrated on specialists, rather than to many allrounders. I prefer selecting the best batsmen and bowlers rather than almost to increase batting depth. I do understand you need at least one really good allrounder, and we had Kallis. Still hold out hope Mulder might fulfil that role.

 

[Krypto]

Don't see how brevis would be a spin option. He is at best part time. The fact that he is the very last option the titans use says a lot. They use brand & Ferreira well before him. He needs to concentrate on his batting.

You never know is more the thing for me , we forget he is only 20 . He can go the way of Steve Smith who threw away his bowling or can become someone like Chris Gayle . There are plenty of examples , the point is he has potential and it would be criminal to not look at that if the player himself is comfortable , if he chooses not to concentrate on bowling it should be his . Strangely cannot think of any cricketer who started out as a batsman and became a specialist spinner .

Edit : Feel like a absolute idiot , it hit me Pat Symcox was a batsman who became a specialist spinner .

 

[WpGuy]

You never know is more the thing for me , we forget he is only 20 . He can go the way of Steve Smith who threw away his bowling or can become someone like Chris Gayle . There are plenty of examples , the point is he has potential and it would be criminal to not look at that if the player himself is comfortable , if he chooses not to concentrate on bowling it should be his . Strangely cannot think of any cricketer who started out as a batsman and became a specialist spinner .

Edit : Feel like a absolute idiot , it hit me Pat Symcox was a batsman who became a specialist spinner .

jono bird bowled some decent chinamen does not seem like wp use him anymore though much.

 

[Krypto]

jono bird bowled some decent chinamen does not seem like wp use him anymore though much.

Seen him bat and he is decent , looked like a patient bat , shame test specialists no longer a thing that much . Good fielder too , had no idea he could bowl .

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

Seen him bat and he is decent , looked like a patient bat , shame test specialists no longer a thing that much . Good fielder too , had no idea he could bowl .

Joshua Richards is better, and seeing that he is not playing in the SA T20 I'm really surprised he was not picked for SA A , I mean the bloke is 24 , he's a proven domestic player with a FC average of 47 ..
Even has a 98 against Amir, Shaheen Shah Afridi and Hasan Ali when they toured here a couple of years ago in a match against an invitational side ..This would have been perfect for him to show what he can do..
What I like about him the most is his conversion rate. He has more hundreds than 50's ..That is always a good sign of a class player .

 

[Krypto]

Joshua Richards is better, and seeing that he is not playing in the SA T20 I'm really surprised he was not picked for SA A , I mean the bloke is 24 , he's a proven domestic player with a FC average of 47 ..
Even has a 98 against Amir, Shaheen Shah Afridi and Hasan Ali when they toured here a couple of years ago in a match against an invitational side ..This would have been perfect for him to show what he can do..
What I like about him the most is his conversion rate. He has more hundreds than 50's ..That is always a good sign of a class player .

I didn't say he is good enough for SA. Just he looks decent and seems to be a test specialist. Referring to potential SA players especially youngsters I'm a big fan of Reynard van Tonder and Jordan Hermann. Especially for tests, I am a firm believer that a test batsman should be able to score massive scores. Both imo is better than Richards, not taking anything away from Richards just my opinion there are much better young players out there.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

I didn't say he is good enough for SA. Just he looks decent and seems to be a test specialist. Referring to potential SA players especially youngsters I'm a big fan of Reynard van Tonder and Jordan Hermann. Especially for tests, I am a firm believer that a test batsman should be able to score massive scores. Both imo is better than Richards, not taking anything away from Richards just my opinion there are much better young players out there.

Joshua Richards has the same number of hundreds as Jordan Hermann and Raynard Van Tonder combined in about 20 less FC games than the pair of them.Its not easy opening in the Highveld either

 

[Bahseph]

So what's the post mortem of the WC gents?

 

[WICFan]

So what's the post mortem of the WC gents?

Well QDK is done with ODI's now, so that's an issue at the top of the order.

Garnett Tarr and Jacques Snyman have been putting runs on the board domestically so may be worth giving either/or that opportunity at the top of the order, if not they could go back to Janneman Malan.

I suppose the next step is also the gradual phasing out of RvdD, Miller and one or two others.

 

[Nintendo]

Well QDK is done with ODI's now, so that's an issue at the top of the order.

Garnett Tarr and Jacques Snyman have been putting runs on the board domestically so may be worth giving either/or that opportunity at the top of the order, if not they could go back to Janneman Malan.

I suppose the next step is also the gradual phasing out of RvdD, Miller and one or two others.

Is snyman back in the runs. Good to hear, he's a good player.

 

[WICFan]

Is snyman back in the runs. Good to hear, he's a good player.

He hit back to back centuries in the list-a competition afre weeks back.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

Well QDK is done with ODI's now, so that's an issue at the top of the order.

Garnett Tarr and Jacques Snyman have been putting runs on the board domestically so may be worth giving either/or that opportunity at the top of the order, if not they could go back to Janneman Malan.

I suppose the next step is also the gradual phasing out of RvdD, Miller and one or two others.

Garnett Tarr and Jacques Snyman are Division 2 players , Garnett Tarr made his professional debut like last month or something, very far away from playing for the Proteas ..Snyman has been involved with the Proteas before, got a T20 cap v Pakistan a couple of years back and then was discarded all together for some reason.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

So what's the post mortem of the WC gents?

If we are being honest , the SA team exceeded expectations, well atleast my expectations.

I did not think we would make it out the group stage but we smashed it. Second in the group and we played some memorable cricket at times..

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

Now it's all about the road to CWC 27 , which we will be hosting. I would really like for us to start building for that project now, the current crop of players who most likely won't be a part of CWC 27 are guys like Van Der Dussen, Bavuma , Reeza Hendricks, David Miller, Tabraiz Shamsi , QDK (Retired), Klaasen (Touch and go) ..
All these players will be 36 or older come the next WC and must be phased out by the Champions Trophy 2025 latest.

So that leaves Markram, Jansen, Coetzee , Rabada, Phehlukwayo, Ngidi, Maharaj (Think he can make it cause of his fitness and off spinners tend to last longer) from the current WC squad that I feel we should build the team around ..

The pressing issues for me is to groom a captain for CWC 27. A wristspinner to take over from Shamsi. Some top order bats and a batting all rounder , fast bowling is pretty much covered I expect Nortje to be around for CWC 27 aswell.

Some players who should be given more opportunities right now in 50 over cricket : Donovan Ferreira, Kyle Verreynne, Dewald Brevis, Wiaan Mulder, Tristan Stubbs , Bjorn Fortuin, Tony De Zorzi, Ethan Bosch , Jordan Hermann, Ryan Rickleton , Mihlali Mpongwana, Senuran Muthusamy, Junaid Dawood (Wristspinner) ..Also hope issues with George Linde can be resolved