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***Official***Match #29 - India vs England- October 29th - Lucknow (D/N)
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My 7 year old faiughter (who annoyingly supports England over India) walked in when seven wickets were down and said “well they still have Stokes and he can do anything”. Something I probably tolde
I explained he was long since out for nothing
Then she started crying.
This is the same thinking of the England management.
I explained he was long since out for nothing
Then she started crying.
This is the same thinking of the England management.
trundler
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England are particularly abject against spin and SL have mystery spinners who can outfox poor players of spin. It's a bad match-up for them in the conditions.
I'm not talking trash. My team sucks too right now and it's not because they didn't play Dil Dil Pakistan in the crowd. It's because they have **** spinners and get tied down in the middle overs when batting. It's a skill issue and I think that the same is the case for England.
Molehill
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Even if that’s the case, they’re still better than what they’re showing. None are playing to their potential.
slowfinger
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at least Mo might do the right thing and never put on an England shirt again after that performance. nicking off like that after facing 30 deliveries, unforgivable.
let's not forget he's played the majority of his first class career at 3
let's not forget he's played the majority of his first class career at 3
Rashid has been fine in this tournament. A little under his best but there's little to suggest he's in steep decline. Rehan does need opportunities to play so they need to factor in some rotation, but I wouldn't automatically pension Rashid off.
Mo strikes me as a player with complete self awareness. If he knows he's done he'll quit.
Molehill
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Did you watch that game?
The Sri Lankan seamers took 7 wickets (2 run outs)!!
Angelo Mathews started the rot! That’s not a bad match up, it’s one that should be made in heaven.
honestbharani
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Wow Nostradamus right here
Adorable Asshole
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Don't mind him. He has a habit of talking out of his ass.
Mo is symptomatic. Teams, especially “golden generation”.teams that come up together die together and it happens fast with age. You are thinking about their potential a year ago, not today.
India hat an epic test series against South Africa, we’re at the top of the test rankings And won the World Cup in 2011. They looked dominant. Then they lost eight tests in a row against England in Australia and it was clear that great team was done. Same thing here. Time to rebuild, and fully.
Edit: unless you’re the All Blacks or Amanda United under Sir Alex, and those teams are brutal about evolving
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The spinners bowled beautifully and barely went for any runs. Sometimes crap bowlers have a good day (as Willey did today). SL are a good team and them going over most teams in the tournament isn't a surprise imo. I'm not saying England would lose to SL by such a margin every time but that wasn't an upset in these conditions.
Molehill
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Silver Silva
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●We conceded a huge total to South Africa who are making every bowling attack look Sunday league when they are batting first, and Pakistan on an absolute road.
●The main culprits for those big losses were Maheesha Pathirana and Dunith Wellalage, Talented youngsters but didn't have the confidence in these conditions in this tournament, they didn't play England.
●The attack that faced England was definitely not the worse attack in fact if you compare the bowling averages for the like for like bowlers ,there isn't that big a difference..
●Dhananjaya De Silva has a better bowling average than Moeen Ali
Lahiru Kumara has a better bowling average than Mark Wood
Our main spinner Theekshana has a better career average than your main spinner Rashid
Madushanka has been one of the bowlers of the tournament definitely better than Willey
Woakes is better than Rajitha I'll give you that .
Can't really compare Livingstone to Mathews , but Mathews is a better ODI bowler than Ben Stokes even if he was fit ..especially in subcontinent conditions..
●Nothing wrong with our attack at all , England don't do too well against Sri Lanka in general anyway .
Molehill
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But did you expect to bowl England out for 160 on that pitch?
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To clarify, I think if you gave this same England side the Asia Cup + a series in Asia, they'd bat a lot better. Bairstow, Root and Stokes needed more ODI cricket under their belts. That's on the management for planning poorly. The pace attack + Mo would probably still suck in India though.
Molehill
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I think we’d all agree with that. The bowling has not been a massive surprise, the batting most definitely has.
Another woeful batting display.
Yes the pitch wasn't straight forward and India bowled well, but there was some pretty poor shot selection as well.
We can debate all day about why we've performed so poorly and there's no simple answer to that.
The batting line up is an excellent one - Malan, YJB, Root, Stokes, Buttler is as good as anything in the tournament - their records show that.
We can talk about age, about lack of preparation etc etc but that batting line has performed so poorly and the bottom line is, none of us on here know why. The players and management don't know why.
We knew our bowling was vulnerable, that we lack a top class finisher but nobody going in to this WC doubted our top 5.
We've been the best white ball team in the world in recent years - we won the T20 WC at a relative canter last year but for whatever reason our batting has fallen apart.
We need to be brutally honest to try to establish if we can, why this has happened and make sure it never happens again.
Yes the pitch wasn't straight forward and India bowled well, but there was some pretty poor shot selection as well.
We can debate all day about why we've performed so poorly and there's no simple answer to that.
The batting line up is an excellent one - Malan, YJB, Root, Stokes, Buttler is as good as anything in the tournament - their records show that.
We can talk about age, about lack of preparation etc etc but that batting line has performed so poorly and the bottom line is, none of us on here know why. The players and management don't know why.
We knew our bowling was vulnerable, that we lack a top class finisher but nobody going in to this WC doubted our top 5.
We've been the best white ball team in the world in recent years - we won the T20 WC at a relative canter last year but for whatever reason our batting has fallen apart.
We need to be brutally honest to try to establish if we can, why this has happened and make sure it never happens again.