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The Points Table/Standings

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
I don't think India would want to face South Africa at Wankede for the Semi Final. And probably not want to face Australia there either. So unfortunately that leaves them with NZ for the semi.

Mumbai pitch is so suited to big hitting teams like SA and Aus imo.
I think they'd be comfortable playing Australia, or us. Not SA, I agree with that. I think calling Australia a 'big hitting team' is pretty far off the mark. Their middle order isn't flush with fire power, or certainly not fire power that has made any waves recently.

Our motivation is to get away from 4th, because it's almost certain that India will be 1st.
 

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
I think they'd be comfortable playing Australia, or us. Not SA, I agree with that. I think calling Australia a 'big hitting team' is pretty far off the mark. Their middle order isn't flush with fire power, or certainly not fire power that has made any waves recently.

Our motivation is to get away from 4th, because it's almost certain that India will be 1st.
Travis Head will return too, making them more balanced. And Australia is Australia and India wants to play them on pitches that aid spin and not really on relatively bouncy highway perfectly suited to their hitters. But yeah if India can dismiss their openers then its relatively comfortable.
 

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
Joe Root -
"There's talk of whether this format is relevant any more anyway, in international cricket," Root said. "Whether that gets changed, I don't know. Who knows how things will move in the future? But whether it's domestically or internationally, I don't think we play enough of it if we're going to continue to look to compete in World Cups."


Asked whether he would like the format to survive, Root - who was England's top-scorer at the 2019 World Cup - did not provide a ringing endorsement. "I think it's got a huge amount of history and it brings a lot to cricket," he said. "It will always hold a very special part of my heart for what it's given me throughout my career.

"[But] I think that's a question that should be posed to the next generation of players, and to everyone watching the game, really. It shouldn't be down to, 'is it bringing the most money for the sport?' It should be down to what people want to watch, and what's going to engage the next generation of players."
 

loterry1994

International Debutant
Australia looking likely to get 4th but they’ve honestly been horse crap most this tournament and need to improve significantly to have any chance of winning this World Cup. Their bowling has struggled to get wickets in the first 20 overs of 3 games now and their batting has struggled and collapsed plenty once one or both openers have fell early.
 

loterry1994

International Debutant
Joe Root -
"There's talk of whether this format is relevant any more anyway, in international cricket," Root said. "Whether that gets changed, I don't know. Who knows how things will move in the future? But whether it's domestically or internationally, I don't think we play enough of it if we're going to continue to look to compete in World Cups."


Asked whether he would like the format to survive, Root - who was England's top-scorer at the 2019 World Cup - did not provide a ringing endorsement. "I think it's got a huge amount of history and it brings a lot to cricket," he said. "It will always hold a very special part of my heart for what it's given me throughout my career.

"[But] I think that's a question that should be posed to the next generation of players, and to everyone watching the game, really. It shouldn't be down to, 'is it bringing the most money for the sport?' It should be down to what people want to watch, and what's going to engage the next generation of players."
Odis and bilateral series have felt less important for years now largely due to scheduling, franchise cricket and the bigger money that comes in franchise cricket. Icc and the other boards need to fix that.

But I think an ODI World Cup is the top trophy/ series you can win for a cricketer.
 

loterry1994

International Debutant
SA look miles better than them though
Thing with South Africa Theyve only been put under real pressure in that Netherlands game and lost that convincingly. Think that’s everyone’s worry with South Africa going forward they won’t have it their own way the rest of their matches and it’s going to be on how they deal with that in how far they can go this World Cup
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
SA look miles better than them though
In their three wins, yeah they looked a lot more dominant than us. But they lost to Netherlands, and comfortably. Let's see how they go against India, they've thrashed three teams low on confidence.
 

loterry1994

International Debutant
In their three wins, yeah they looked a lot more dominant than us. But they lost to Netherlands, and comfortably. Let's see how they go against India, they've thrashed three teams low on confidence.
Pretty much we’ll have to see how they go when they are more tested in matches that ebb and flow. That’s where we’ll see how good this South Africa side is
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
In their three wins, yeah they looked a lot more dominant than us. But they lost to Netherlands, and comfortably. Let's see how they go against India, they've thrashed three teams low on confidence.
Yeah, fair. But NZ‘s wins since England have come in games you’d expect them to win (which is not to underplay it as SA, Eng and Pak can all attest that it doesn’t always work out like that…) so just find the whole ‘lock for the semis’ line I keep hearing a bit skewed.

I think they will get there but it’s not inconceivable that they lose to Oz, SA and Pakistan. The latter perhaps less likely, but.
 

Ashes81

State Vice-Captain
I think Root makes some pertinent points about both England's approach to ODIs and the future of the format.

The only domestic 50 over competition in England is played at the same time as the 100 - basically it's to give those players not involved in the 100 some cricket to play.

Take Harry Brook - he will have played very little, if any, domestic 50 over games. How then is he supposed to learn the skills needed to succeed in the format.

I hate to say it but ODI cricket might not be with us much for longer.

There's too much cricket in the calendar and with T20s here to stay, the obvious make weight will inevitably be the 50 over game.
 

loterry1994

International Debutant
I think Root makes some pertinent points about both England's approach to ODIs and the future of the format.

The only domestic 50 over competition in England is played at the same time as the 100 - basically it's to give those players not involved in the 100 some cricket to play.

Take Harry Brook - he will have played very little, if any, domestic 50 over games. How then is he supposed to learn the skills needed to succeed in the format.

I hate to say it but ODI cricket might not be with us much for longer.

There's too much cricket in the calendar and with T20s here to stay, the obvious make weight will inevitably be the 50 over game.
Root can say what he wants the difference between the 2019 and 2023 World Cup build ups for England is after the 2015 embarrassment they made it their priority to be one the powerhouses in short form cricket and scheduled more odis and t20 for preparation and built a strong side and style of cricket to be successful most that 2019 squad played a lot of matches together in bilateral series also and they won the 2019 world Cup on the back of it.

Now compare it to the 2023 World Cup build up. You had a lot of their main players resting between series over the last few years, you had stokes retiring from odis then coming back last minute. And scheduled less matches in this cycle to give the next generation more experience. Now this World Cup they thought they could waltz in with all their experience and big time players but they haven’t had nearly as good a preparation compared to 4 years ago. And that’s all on their board and players has nothing to do with odis dying and being less popular.

People can say odis and t20s migjt be phased out in time but I don’t think it’ll ever happen.
I just don’t see them getting rid of one format and closing the history books and all the batting and bowling records the previous players have gotten
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
I think Root makes some pertinent points about both England's approach to ODIs and the future of the format.

The only domestic 50 over competition in England is played at the same time as the 100 - basically it's to give those players not involved in the 100 some cricket to play.

Take Harry Brook - he will have played very little, if any, domestic 50 over games. How then is he supposed to learn the skills needed to succeed in the format.

I hate to say it but ODI cricket might not be with us much for longer.

There's too much cricket in the calendar and with T20s here to stay, the obvious make weight will inevitably be the 50 over game.
That's fine...people have been saying that for a long time about Test cricket, as well. So with two formats of the game supposedly on the outer or not desirable by the masses, let's see where the game gets to if it's somehow going to be propped up by the bubblegum quick dirty dopamine fix of T20. I don't foresee a lot of positives in that. Or maybe it'll shine more light on Test cricket. Let's see, because the death of 50-over cricket is happening - people are insisting on it, in my opinion without having thought hard enough about the consequences of a game that still requires the requisite longer application of skill that T20 doesn't.
 

Flem274*

123/5
That's fine...people have been saying that for a long time about Test cricket, as well. So with two formats of the game supposedly on the outer or not desirable by the masses, let's see where the game gets to if it's somehow going to be propped up by the bubblegum quick dirty dopamine fix of T20. I don't foresee a lot of positives in that. Or maybe it'll shine more light on Test cricket. Let's see, because the death of 50-over cricket is happening - people are insisting on it, in my opinion without having thought hard enough about the consequences of a game that still requires the requisite longer application of skill that T20 doesn't.
Yeah this world cup is so much better to watch than any t20 tournament in history.

I appreciate the money injection to the players but anecdotally sports fans who don't like tests also don't respect t20 to the level of other cricket and I doubt ever will. You can see it is a watered down sport.
 

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