Is Jacques Kallis the Most BoRing Cricketer in the History of Cricket?

[TheJediBrah]

I don't think Kallis was selfish, I just don't think he had that extra gear for a lot of his career. All you have to do is look at some of his ODI batting. Or maybe he had a mental block that kept him scoring within himself, because he clearly had the ability to accelerate as shown at times later in his career.

 

[Socerer 01]

You can add Boycott, Root and Tavare to that list

how has no one called out this before ?????

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Both were exceptional batsman, but while Kallis batted within himself and arguably selfishly, Sobers was a top five, top tier ATG batsman and a match winner.

Sobers was arguably the greatest change bowler ever and bore a heavy stock bowler role as well. Kallis gave short bursts and it seemed he did that begrudgingly as well.

Both are included in the ultimate top ATG tier for slip fielders, they caught everything. But Sobers was also superb everywhere, short leg, leg slip, out field, and has a strong claim as the greatest fielder ever.

Yes they are both amazing, but they aren't the same.

Garner?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Garner?

I don't think he meant it like that. If we're literally talking bowlers that bowled first change there's probably 100 better than sobers

 

[GIMH]

how has no one called out this before ?????

I missed it. Shambles

 

[Chin Music]

I missed it. Shambles

yep, a mad suggestion and Vaughan being suggested earlier only slightly less bizarre.

 

[GIMH]

yep, a mad suggestion and Vaughan being suggested earlier only slightly less bizarre.

Especially with the follow up point about Vaughan averaging 5. Didn’t he average about 42 and score 10-15 tons? Just a very strange post.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Especially with the follow up point about Vaughan averaging 5. Didn’t he average about 42 and score 10-15 tons? Just a very strange post.

Agree with calling out of Vaughan and especially Root as examples, they were/are both great players to watch.

But I assumed the 5 in regards to Vaughan was 5 boundaries an innings or something like that. As in if you watched a highlights reel you would see 5 shots an innings on average. A bad point either way though

 

[Chin Music]

Especially with the follow up point about Vaughan averaging 5. Didn’t he average about 42 and score 10-15 tons? Just a very strange post.

Yeah, 41 from memory. Gatting and Lamb were hardly among the best players England have fielded but they were not dull by any means. Tavare was the most boring that I remember, and am glad he got a mention.

 

[trundler]

Imran Farhat was absolutely awful to watch. Dull and not very good. Imran Nazir wasn't much better. Rank slogger.

 

[Prince EWS]

Imran Farhat was absolutely awful to watch. Dull and not very good. Imran Nazir wasn't much better. Rank slogger.

Faisal ****ing Iqbal too.

@Jarquis

 

[StephenZA]

I don't think Kallis was selfish, I just don't think he had that extra gear for a lot of his career. All you have to do is look at some of his ODI batting. Or maybe he had a mental block that kept him scoring within himself, because he clearly had the ability to accelerate as shown at times later in his career.

So to understand SA batting your need to understand SA culture and SA cricket culture at that time. Effectively complaining about Kallis batting is complaining about what he was asked to do for SA batting line up, for the majority of his career.

To put an equivalent its like asking the SA rugby to stop playing forward driven rugby because its not exciting. People have done this, locally in SA but especially overseas. But SA is not gonna be playing the way NZ plays ever because that is not the culture behind the sport or of the people.

So for me much of the discussion and complaints about Kallis come from a place of ignorance because they are comparing his actions to what he would have been asked to do if he had played for their country under the way they would have liked to see him play cricket. Because he had the technique and talent to do it all.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

So to understand SA batting your need to understand SA culture and SA cricket culture at that time. Effectively complaining about Kallis batting is complaining about what he was asked to do for SA batting line up, for the majority of his career.

To put an equivalent its like asking the SA rugby to stop playing forward driven rugby because its not exciting. People have done this, locally in SA but especially overseas. But SA is not gonna be playing the way NZ plays ever because that is not the culture behind the sport or of the people.

So for me much of the discussion and complaints about Kallis come from a place of ignorance because they are comparing his actions to what he would have been asked to do if he had played for their country under the way they would have liked to see him play cricket. Because he had the technique and talent to do it all.

Hmm. The same culture also gave Gibbs, Smith and AB

 

[StephenZA]

Hmm. The same culture gave rise to Gibbs, Smith and AB

Proving point on ignorance of culture and understanding of SA cricket.... which also gave rise to Dippenaar, Hudson, Kirsten, even players like Cronje and Big Mac. Off a team originally built off the captaincy of Kepler Wessels. Then you look at the most successful of the SA teams and see that it was based around and built into the strong unit it became. Oh, which buy the way was still based around Kallis batting, with him increasing his SR consistently through out as the team became more solid and dependable around him.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I'm going to go tell my boss right now that my less than optimal work performance is based on my department's culture and while I could do better I won't because it's not asked of me and if he doesn't like it I'll just call him ignorant

 

[StephenZA]

I'm going to go tell my boss right now that my less than optimal work performance is based on my department's culture and while I could do better I won't because it's not asked of me and if he doesn't like it I'll just call him ignorant

Showing ignornace again... why did Kallis not perform optimally? Because you believe so. He was the man everyone relied on in the team for ten years in SA cricket. And he took that burden on and did everything that was asked of him and more. Nobody in SA thinks that he did not perform above and beyond what was asked of him.

 

[StephenZA]

What Kallis gets blamed for, its not playing the game for another country and being in a team that would have asked him to play a different game.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Showing ignornace again... why did Kallis not perform optimally? Because you believe so. He was the man everyone relied on in the team for ten years in SA cricket. And he took that burden on and did everything that was asked of him and more. Nobody in SA thinks that he did not perform above and beyond what was asked of him.

I'm just messing with you. But I don't buy the excuse. I also don't see it's necessity. So one of the indisputably greatest cricketers of all time had a limitation? Why not just accept it?

Why's it such a big deal that he wasn't quite as good as a batsmen as the top tier of his contemporaries?

 

[Coronis]

I'm going to go tell my boss right now that my less than optimal work performance is based on my department's culture and while I could do better I won't because it's not asked of me and if he doesn't like it I'll just call him ignorant

Not jumping into the cricket behind this discussion but you’ve literally described 90% of workplaces here.

 

[StephenZA]

I'm just messing with you. But I don't buy the excuse. I also don't see it's necessity. So one of the indisputably greatest cricketers of all time had a limitation? Why not just accept it?

If you said he did not have a good SR, no problems... if you state he was not capable of it, I disagree with you. He was asked to do a specific job for the SA team, and did that job unbelievably well. He was not asked to be the aggressive dominating player.