England thread

[Burgey]

Title defence in absolute tatters.

 

[ataraxia]

What title defence?

 

[Burgey]

There's no doubt they won the title, in the sense it was gifted to them on a technicality after a tied game. It's just they've never won a WC final.

 

[TheJediBrah]

There's no doubt they won the title, in the sense it was gifted to them on a technicality after a tied game*. It's just they've never won a WC final.

*That they only managed to tie due to officiating errors

 

[Burgey]

Tatters

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Shreds

 

[GIMH]

We'll turn it round. Just you watch.

 

[FBU]

Any changes for the next match. Sure that Stokes will be back. Has Livingstone replaced Moeen?
Bairstow Malan Root Stokes Brook Buttler Livingstone Woakes Wood Rashid Topley.

Will they drop their death bowler Curran? Topley and Wood had to bowl the death overs. They won't drop Woakes.

 

[GIMH]

Any changes for the next match. Sure that Stokes will be back. Has Livingstone replaced Moeen?
Bairstow Malan Root Stokes Brook Buttler Livingstone Woakes Wood Rashid Topley.

Will they drop their death bowler Curran? Topley and Wood had to bowl the death overs. They won't drop Woakes.

This is the team I landed on when thinking about it deeply while walking the dog yesterday evening. But it's massively risky because you need 10 from Livingstone and Root - more if Woakes goes as badly again,

Willey for Woakes works I guess?

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Any changes for the next match. Sure that Stokes will be back. Has Livingstone replaced Moeen?
Bairstow Malan Root Stokes Brook Buttler Livingstone Woakes Wood Rashid Topley.

Will they drop their death bowler Curran? Topley and Wood had to bowl the death overs. They won't drop Woakes.

I think I may have gone on record before as a Woakes fan, but even I think he needs benching unless they have reason to believe he suddenly won't bowl like he has the past three games. Curran should be benched too.

If Stokes is back then I think I'd go:
Bairstow Malan Root Stokes Brook Buttler Livingstone Willey Wood Rashid Topley.

If they think it'll spin again then Mo could come back in for Brook, though that'd be harsh after he was the only batter fighting in the last game.

 

[wpdavid]

I think I may have gone on record before as a Woakes fan, but even I think he needs benching unless they have reason to believe he suddenly won't bowl like he has the past three games. Curran should be benched too.

If Stokes is back then I think I'd go:
Bairstow Malan Root Stokes Brook Buttler Livingstone Willey Wood Rashid Topley.

If they think it'll spin again then Mo could come back in for Brook, though that'd be harsh after he was the only batter fighting in the last game.

Mo instead of Willey imo.

 

[ImpatientLime]

you can't blame the selectors for not knowing woakes is an absolute carthorse outside of england. truly unforeseen circumstances.

 

[Molehill]

There's a lot of blame on the bowlers, but they only conceded 11 more than India did. Seems to me it was the batsmen that failed badly, when will Bairstow and Buttler turn up to this World Cup?

 

[Tom Flint]

Woakes and Curran obviously deserve to be carrying the drinks, but if Willey replaces do they back him to bowl 10? They always been concerned he is only effective up front.

 

[GIMH]

There's a lot of blame on the bowlers, but they only conceded 11 more than India did. Seems to me it was the batsmen that failed badly, when will Bairstow and Buttler turn up to this World Cup?

Bairstow got us off to a flier V Bangas tbf. Hard to say he didn't do his job as an attacking opener there.

Jos got a start against NZ too.

I think for yesterday it was both. We should have been chasing a lower target. But with our line-up it's not unreasonable to chase 280-odd - against anyone in the tournament.

For balance though, it didn't really feel like any of the top order threw their wickets away.

 

[danzydab]

Stokes and Willey should replace Woakes and Curran.

However England made a huge mistake in ignoring Ben Duckett and Liam Dawson who would've been perfect for Indian conditions.

 

[honestbharani]

I think issue is the lack of a MO batsman option.

Bairstow
Malan
Root
Brook
Buttler (c) (wk)
Livingstone
Moeen
Rashid
Wood
that other right arm seamer
Topley


this should work.

 

[GIMH]

I think issue is the lack of a MO batsman option.

Bairstow
Malan
Root
Brook
Buttler (c) (wk)
Livingstone
Moeen
Rashid
Wood
that other right arm seamer
Topley


this should work.

y no stokes tho

 

[GIMH]

Mark Butcher said he’d pick the same team I’ve been leaning towards on the wisden podcast (NB he didn’t actually acknowledge it as the same as mine, which I thought rude). Which is

Bairstow
Malan
Root
Stokes
Brook
Buttler
Livingstone
Rashid
Wood
Atkinson
Topley

He then said his predicted team is the above except Woakes in for Atkinson

 

[honestbharani]

y no stokes tho

he is not fit yet, right?

 

[GIMH]

he is not fit yet, right?

He’s expected to play on Saturday.

I reckon, reading between the lines, he could have played yesterday and they decided not to risk him, which worked out well.

And yeah I know some folk will say, but Brook played well. And he did but aside from the general butterfly effect, Stokes in a tense chase is pretty good, so I’ve heard. Ah well.