Which Asian all time xi is the strongest?

[Saket1209]

India still I think has the best 11. In home condition, they are invincibles and at overseas they are still competitive with Atg batting and good potent pace attack which actually have done well in Aus and SA. Pak batting line up sucks plus we have seen there pacers performance in sena countries where they cant do ball tampering due to cameras

 

[subshakerz]

Is that meant to be Shami home, Zaheer away? Otherwise I have some serious questions.

Yeah, Shami is better for home but didn't want to get in the weeds of it.

 

[subshakerz]

India still I think has the best 11. In home condition, they are invincibles and at overseas they are still competitive with Atg batting and good potent pace attack which actually have done well in Aus and SA. Pak batting line up sucks plus we have seen there pacers performance in sena countries where they cant do ball tampering due to cameras

Bowling wins test matches so go with the stronger attack to determine the stronger team.

India's bowling isn't good enough. Bumrah doesn't even have enough wickets to really be considered frankly and the rest are below worldclass level, especially away from India.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Bowling wins test matches so go with the stronger attack to determine the stronger team.

India's bowling isn't good enough. Bumrah doesn't even have enough wickets to really be considered frankly and the rest are below worldclass level, especially away from India.

Unfortunately that is true. Amongst the spinners tho Kuldeep has potential to do well away from home as well. Hope he and Bumrah make some strides in the future.

 

[Saket1209]

Bowling wins test matches so go with the stronger attack to determine the stronger team.

India's bowling isn't good enough. Bumrah doesn't even have enough wickets to really be considered frankly and the rest are below worldclass level, especially away from India.

How many series have your potent bowling attack have made you win away from home in SENAW. In Wi you won your first and only test series in 2017, that too due to Gabriel fault. Still no test series win in Aus ,SA. Not a single test win in Aus for 28 years now. Just some good performance in Eng. Your great bowling attack sucks away from Home and that's the truth. Your bowling is just formidable at Home which is even true in our case. Plus we have won series in every country (SA in December). So over bowling attack is more potent condition wise. You had some good fast bolwers but they are of no use if they can't win you series away from Home.

 

[_00_deathscar]

As far as ODIs go, India will likely step up more than Pakistan have/will, because despite any gap in raw talent India has 2 to Pakistan’s 1.

The tests similarly are closer than they first appear too but I think Pakistan will take this if enough are played on neutral grounds. But any tests on dustbows India will clean up. And possibly Australia too.

 

[subshakerz]

How many series have your potent bowling attack have made you win away from home in SENAW. In Wi you won your first and only test series in 2017, that too due to Gabriel fault. Still no test series win in Aus ,SA. Not a single test win in Aus for 28 years now. Just some good performance in Eng. Your great bowling attack sucks away from Home and that's the truth. Your bowling is just formidable at Home which is even true in our case. Plus we have won series in every country (SA in December). So over bowling attack is more potent condition wise. You had some good fast bolwers but they are of no use if they can't win you series away from Home.

LOL. I didn't know future series results counted.

Pakistan in the 80s and 90s won series in England, NZ, Ind, SL, drew in WI and SA. Australia, yeah, they struggled but pretty good overall.

When Pakistan's pace bowling declined, so did their results. When India's improved, so did their results. Though they still can't win a series in Eng/SA/NZ.

 

[subshakerz]

As far as ODIs go, India will likely step up more than Pakistan have/will, because despite any gap in raw talent India has 2 to Pakistan’s 1.

The tests similarly are closer than they first appear too but I think Pakistan will take this if enough are played on neutral grounds. But any tests on dustbows India will clean up. And possibly Australia too.

What does that mean?

ODIs is tighter but Pakistan will still win because of batting depth and bowling strength. India has a long tail.

 

[ma1978]

India’s won in Eng and NZ a lot more recently than Pakistan

Pakistan had the better team through probably 2000; India has been better for the last 23 years. India has reached greater heights than Pakistan ever did (at no point can Pakistan have claimed to have the best team in the world).

Given these facts, find it hard to argue the Pakistan ATG team is better

 

[subshakerz]

India’s won in Eng and NZ a lot more recently than Pakistan

Pakistan had the better team through probably 2000; India has been better for the last 23 years. India has reached greater heights than Pakistan ever did (at no point can Pakistan have claimed to have the best team in the world).

Given these facts, find it hard to argue the Pakistan ATG team is better

Nonsense. India reaching greater heights also has to do with general opposition they faced.

Pakistan in the 80s until the 2000s had ATG WI and Australia teams as no.1 for competition. Remove them and Pakistan would have been no.1 for fairly decent periods in between too. India only became no.1 when Australia's reign ended and even then had to share it with SA, Australia again, England and NZ for the last 15 years.

The better ATG team is first checked through your quality of players. You are using this roundabout argument because you just don't want to accept the gulf in bowling quality as a clear determining factor.

 

[Coronis]

Has anyone who has played a decent number of matches have such a home/away discrepancy as Bumrah? 4 matches at home and 26 away. I could see the reverse being true but surely this level is unique.

 

[ma1978]

Nonsense. India reaching greater heights also has to do with general opposition they faced.

Pakistan in the 80s until the 2000s had ATG WI and Australia teams as no.1 for competition. Remove them and Pakistan would have been no.1 for fairly decent periods in between too. India only became no.1 when Australia's reign ended and even then had to share it with SA, Australia again, England and NZ for the last 15 years.

The better ATG team is first checked through your quality of players. You are using this roundabout argument because you just don't want to accept the gulf in bowling quality as a clear determining factor.

I don’t like speculating on hypothetical matchups. I care about what actually happened on the field.

 

[ma1978]

Nonsense. India reaching greater heights also has to do with general opposition they faced.

Pakistan in the 80s until the 2000s had ATG WI and Australia teams as no.1 for competition. Remove them and Pakistan would have been no.1 for fairly decent periods in between too. India only became no.1 when Australia's reign ended and even then had to share it with SA, Australia again, England and NZ for the last 15 years.

The better ATG team is first checked through your quality of players. You are using this roundabout argument because you just don't want to accept the gulf in bowling quality as a clear determining factor.

India has meaningfully better batting, Pakistan has meaningfully better bowling. It’s pure speculation to assume which one would prevail. All I know is Pakistan’s ATG bowling never got to the top.

 

[subshakerz]

India has meaningfully better batting, Pakistan has meaningfully better bowling. It’s pure speculation to assume which one would prevail. All I know is Pakistan’s ATG bowling never got to the top.

Yes and I explained why. You can choose to be willfully ignorant of the actual record.

And siding with the better bowling unit is not speculation, it's logical for tests.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Khan, Akram, Younis, Akhtar vs Dev, Shami, Khan, Srinath

Too big a difference

 

[subshakerz]

I don’t like speculating on hypothetical matchups. I care about what actually happened on the field.

I am giving you context. India only became no.1 when ATG teams weren't around. Pakistan didn't become no.1 because ATG teams were around.

 

[ma1978]

Not that ICC ratings are everything but the ICC ratings since 1952 (assuming Wikipedia is correct) certainly don’t agree that peak Pakistan is comparable to peak India

 

[Coronis]

Not that ICC ratings are everything but the ICC ratings since 1952 (assuming Wikipedia is correct) certainly don’t agree that peak Pakistan is comparable to peak India

That has no direct correlation to their strength relative to one another. Its about their strength compared to the other teams of their time.

 

[BazBall21]

India's batting is better but Pakistan's bowling is well ahead.

 

[TheJediBrah]

India has meaningfully better batting, Pakistan has meaningfully better bowling. It’s pure speculation to assume which one would prevail. All I know is Pakistan’s ATG bowling never got to the top.

Captain obvious over here