McGrath/Tendulkar or Imran/Kallis

[subshakerz]

Mcgrath is meaningfully ahead of Imran as a bowler

Not in the SC.

 

[TheJediBrah]

There's no way India trades Tendulkar for Kallis or Australia trades McGrath for Imran.

Not in the SC.

No one cares lol Australia play there like a few tests every few years

 

[subshakerz]

There's no way India trades Tendulkar for Kallis or Australia trades McGrath for Imran.

Only because of Tendulkar's name value. Otherwise Kallis would be more valuable in the team in the 2000s.

 

[ma1978]

No - Kallis was just one of a lot of above average batters in that period, and his bowling had very little incremental value

 

[smash84]

A team of 7 Kallis and 4 Imrans would beat a team of 7 Tendulkars and 4 McGraths every time.

All they would need would be to get McGrath on strike

 

[Coronis]

when did you start following cricket? That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve read on these forums, andve read a lot

You clearly haven’t read enough if you think that’s the most ridiculous take.

 

[subshakerz]

A team of 7 Kallis and 4 Imrans would beat a team of 7 Tendulkars and 4 McGraths every time.

All they would need would be to get McGrath on strike

No. With 7 Kallis they would draw every time.

 

[smash84]

No. With 7 Kallis they would draw every time.

Batting SR doesn't matter as much in tests as you're thinking.

 

[ma1978]

The most likely outcome of that game is a draw, and even if it wasn’t I don’t think that it’s that obvious, and it wasn’t the question asked

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

No. With 7 Kallis they would draw every time.

Aha! You admit Kallis cannot be defeated!!!

 

[subshakerz]

Batting SR doesn't matter as much in tests as you're thinking.

I was only half joking. But a lineup of Kallis and we are talking more than a day and half to score 400. So you will end up drawing a lot of games that would have been won.

 

[smash84]

I was only half joking. But a lineup of Kallis and we are talking more than a day and half to score 400. So you will end up drawing a lot of games that would have been won.

Not really, 5 days is a pretty long time, especially if they other team bats only down to 7

 

[subshakerz]

Not really, 5 days is a pretty long time, especially if they other team bats only down to 7

Scoring at a rate of 300 a day, conditions permitting, is a minimum standards for me for XIs I select.

 

[smash84]

Scoring at a rate of 300 a day, conditions permitting, is a minimum standards for me for XIs I select.

Therein lies the problem though. Your standard is too rigid.

Even that aside, for this particular case, in the all rounder side you can change the batting order around a bit and still up the tempo a bit if you want, even if Kallis does the bulk of the scoring. You can't have McGrath bat anywhere other than 8-11.

 

[Coronis]

Scoring at a rate of 300 a day, conditions permitting, is a minimum standards for me for XIs I select.

So that eliminates Sobers, Tendulkar, Smith, Hobbs, Hutton, Sutcliffe, Gavaskar, Dravid, Waugh, Border, Sangakkara, Kallis, Headley, Hammond, Barrington, Chappell, Walcott, Younis and Compton. Hell, even de Villiers.

Short list of players you have left.

 

[subshakerz]

So that eliminates Sobers, Tendulkar, Smith, Hobbs, Hutton, Sutcliffe, Gavaskar, Dravid, Waugh, Border, Sangakkara, Kallis, Headley, Hammond, Barrington, Chappell, Walcott, Younis and Compton. Hell, even de Villiers.

Short list of players you have left.

300 give or take.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Batting SR doesn't matter as much in tests as you're thinking.

Wickets move test matches forward much more quickly than runs, which is why I've always valued bowling SR more than batting SR.

 

[Coronis]

300 give or take.

So who are your openers? Assuming its Hobbs and one of Sutcliffe/Hutton/Gavaskar they’d score 250 odd - are you going to sacrifice that quality for faster scoring?

 

[Sunil1z]

Lol. Australia would have easily traded Ponting for Kallis. He would have finally won them a series in India

And SA would trade Allan Donald for Damien Fleming because he might have won them WC

 

[subshakerz]

Wickets move test matches forward much more quickly than runs, which is why I've always valued bowling SR more than batting SR.

Bowling SR is overrated unless it comes with a low ER.