Do you believe slip fielding should factor in to your selection of an ATG XI that you intend to take the field

[_00_deathscar]

I think that part of the issue of looking at highlights of Steyn, McGrath, Lillee, the quartet etc is that it makes catching look so very effortless, but that's more testimony to the Kallis's, Ponting's, Waugh's, Chappell's, Lloyd's and Richards of the world.
Weaker cordons for any of them, and the team success far less their personal success wouldn't quite have been the same.

That’s a lot of words to say Wasim Akram is the GOAT

 

[kyear2]

That’s a lot of words to say Wasim Akram is the GOAT

Wasn't exactly what I said...But seriously, was there a potential tangible reason for the lower quality there?

 

[TheJediBrah]

If you're giving Wasim a +10 for bad slip fielding, you can tack on a -30 for home umpires and ball tampering while you're at it

 

[kyear2]

Unable to see the vote, but would be interesting to see if some of those who voted not to factor this into an ATG XI, would do so for an actual team.

 

[shortpitched713]

If you're giving Wasim a +10 for bad slip fielding, you can tack on a -30 for home umpires and ball tampering while you're at it

The second half of his career was played completely under neutral umpires at home.

 

[shortpitched713]

Unable to see the vote, but would be interesting to see if some of those who voted not to factor this into an ATG XI, would do so for an actual team.

Is there a vote for "should be factored in, but practically ends up being a negligible difference in the vast majority of cases" ?

I mean, how many Test all time XIs are Abdul Razzaq and Murali Karthik getting into?

 

[Prince EWS]

Is there a vote for "should be factored in, but practically ends up being a negligible difference in the vast majority of cases" ?

No.

 

[kyear2]

 

[kyear2]

Was this the best cordon ever?

Which even came close

Lloyd, Richards, Richardson
Smith, Kallis, deVilliers

Which others?
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[karan_fromthestands]

I think we should give some importance to fielding when picking in ATG XI.

Some legends whose fielding skills were just as legendary as their batting or bowling:

Sir Jack Hobbs
The guy was not just a run machine; he was also a brilliant fielder. Hobbs was known for his quick reflexes and safe hands in the slip cordon. He had a knack for making difficult catches look easy, and that's a skill you want in your All-Time XI.


Herbert Sutcliffe
Another English great. Sutcliffe was Hobbs' opening partner and was equally good in the slips. The Hobbs-Sutcliffe duo was a nightmare for any batsmen, not just because of their batting but also their slip fielding.

And let's not forget Don Bradman. Sure, he's in everyone's All-Time XI for his batting, but the Don was also a very competent slip fielder. His sharp cricketing brain and quick reflexes made him an asset in the field.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

If you're giving Wasim a +10 for bad slip fielding, you can tack on a -30 for home umpires and ball tampering while you're at it

Like Mcgrath and every other Aussie bowler didn't benefit from home umpires even when they were designated as neutral lol.

 

[kyear2]

I think we should give some importance to fielding when picking in ATG XI.

Some legends whose fielding skills were just as legendary as their batting or bowling:

Sir Jack Hobbs
The guy was not just a run machine; he was also a brilliant fielder. Hobbs was known for his quick reflexes and safe hands in the slip cordon. He had a knack for making difficult catches look easy, and that's a skill you want in your All-Time XI.


Herbert Sutcliffe
Another English great. Sutcliffe was Hobbs' opening partner and was equally good in the slips. The Hobbs-Sutcliffe duo was a nightmare for any batsmen, not just because of their batting but also their slip fielding.

And let's not forget Don Bradman. Sure, he's in everyone's All-Time XI for his batting, but the Don was also a very competent slip fielder. His sharp cricketing brain and quick reflexes made him an asset in the field.

I have read up quite a bit on at least two of these great players and have never read this.
I know Hobbs was good at cover point, I think Bradman in the covers?

 

[Coronis]

I have read up quite a bit on at least two of these great players and have never read this.
I know Hobbs was good at cover point, I think Bradman in the covers?

Am shocked you’ve never read up on Sutcliffe tbh.

But yeah I believe I have read of both Hobbs and Bradman fielding in the covers - not in the cordon.

I don’t believe I’ve ever read anything specific about Sutcliffe’s fielding - usually if someone is in the slips its generally noted.

Also lol just a random fun fact I just learnt about Sutcliffe whilst trying to find fielding info on him.

As a result of their success in 1919, Percy Holmes and Herbert Sutcliffe were both awarded a Wisden Cricketer of the Year title in 1920. In the accompanying review, Wisden commented on Sutcliffe's pre-war development and the benefits that both he and Holmes derived from Doughty's coaching. Sutcliffe's "fine driving" was commended but it was noted that "he may not yet be quite so strong in defence".

 

[ataraxia]

I have read up quite a bit on at least two of these great players and have never read this.
I know Hobbs was good at cover point, I think Bradman in the covers?

Well it's undeniably true.

 

[kyear2]

R.I.P to legend, and this is some slick work behind the stumps.

 

[Red]

an all time great or ATVG XI that includes elite fielders only

Bob Simpson
Gordon Greenidge
Ricky Ponting
Greg Chappell
Viv Richards
Gary Sobers
Ian Botham
Allan Knott
Ravi Jadeja
Wasim Akram
Joel Garner

 

[Adorable Asshole]

an all time great or ATVG XI that includes elite fielders only

Bob Simpson
Gordon Greenidge
Ricky Ponting
Greg Chappell
Viv Richards
Gary Sobers
Ian Botham
Allan Knott
Ravi Jadeja
Wasim Akram
Joel Garner

Was Akram really an elite fielder? I'm genuinely asking since i don't know much about his fielding.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Was Akram really an elite fielder? I'm genuinely asking since i don't know much about his fielding.

Valuable to have in the field by managing the condition of the ball

 

[Red]

Was Akram really an elite fielder? I'm genuinely asking since i don't know much about his fielding.

Probably the least elite but for a fast bowler I remember him being good.

Unsure what other bowlers belong. Anderson was very good in the field. Whoever it is will be on the fence so probably just needs to be solid with a strong arm. Miller maybe could slide in

 

[karan_fromthestands]

Probably the least elite but for a fast bowler I remember him being good.

Unsure what other bowlers belong. Anderson was very good in the field. Whoever it is will be on the fence so probably just needs to be solid with a strong arm. Miller maybe could slide in

Kapil checked all the boxes in terms of fielding IMO. He had no weaknesses - excellent in some areas and good in others. He was fast and could cover a lot of ground. I had read somewhere that Kapil never dropped a catch(that might be wrong though, could've dropped on rare occasions).