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England thread

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
I think England, Pak, Aus are all favorites to a greater extent than India.

What would be the first 11 for England anyways?

Bairstow
Malan
Root
Stokes
Buttler (c) (wk)
Moeen/Livingstone
Curran
Woakes
Wood
Rashid
another seamer?
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
I think England, Pak, Aus are all favorites to a greater extent than India.

What would be the first 11 for England anyways?

Bairstow
Malan
Root
Stokes
Buttler (c) (wk)
Moeen/Livingstone
Curran
Woakes
Wood
Rashid
another seamer?
I think Moeen and Curran are both batting a place too high in that line-up. And I don't think Curran's a definite starter given how he and the other seamers went against NZ. Maybe Moeen behind Livingstone at 7 followed by Rashid and 3 seamers.

EDIT
Yup, as GIMH beat me to it.


Either way, I can't see how India are anything other than favourites when the tournament's being played in their back yard.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
I think Moeen and Curran are both batting a place too high in that line-up. And I don't think Curran's a definite starter given how he and the other seamers went against NZ. Maybe Moeen behind Livingstone at 7 followed by Rashid and 3 seamers.

EDIT
Yup, as GIMH beat me to it.


Either way, I can't see how India are anything other than favourites when the tournament's being played in their back yard.
It definitely does help but you gotta remember we still dont have a #4, not sure of our #5 and our allrounders have hardly batted well and we will have 3 #11s. Plus our top order seems to never perform in key games.
 

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
close but I think

Bairstow
Malan
Root
Stokes
Buttler
Livingstone
Moeen
Curran
Woakes
Rashid
Wood
Pretty much this, but I'm sure we'll see quite a lot of seamer rotation. I also wonder if we might end up with 4 seamers with one replacing Moeen. I think Topley will play quite a few games.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Pretty much this, but I'm sure we'll see quite a lot of seamer rotation. I also wonder if we might end up with 4 seamers with one replacing Moeen. I think Topley will play quite a few games.
Yeah I think we will see all the bowlers.

I’d largely expect everyone to get a game. I know they didn’t in 2019 but we basically had knockouts from quite far out. If we get ourselves in a decent position then I’m sure we will rest as many as we can.
 

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah I think we will see all the bowlers.

I’d largely expect everyone to get a game. I know they didn’t in 2019 but we basically had knockouts from quite far out. If we get ourselves in a decent position then I’m sure we will rest as many as we can.
We'd better get ourselves in a decent position because our toughest games largely come at the back end of the group stages.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
I saw an interesting interview with Buttler a couple of weeks ago, where he talked about different conditions at different Indian venues requiring a different sort of attack. Some places will require two full-time spinners (plus Livingstone of course) whereas others would require the extra seamer instead of Moeen or Rashid. I found it interesting because it went against the standard expectation that you pack the side with spinners in India. And I suppose it stems from Buttler's experience of playing in the IPL for so many years. I liked how he was quietly matter-of-fact about it, coming over as someone who knew what he was talking about.
 
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honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
I saw an interesting interview with Buttler a couple of weeks ago, where he talked about different conditions at different Indian venues requiring a different sort of attack. Some places will require two full-time spinners (plus Livingstone of course) whereas others would require the extra seamer instead of Moeen or Rashid. I found it interesting because it went against the standard expectation that you pack the side with spinners in India. And I suppose it stems from Buttler's experience of playing in the IPL for so many years. I liked how he was quietly matter-of-fact about it, coming over as someone who knew what he was talking about.

The Rajasthan Royals are basically as good as an English Franchise, afterall. And Vikram Solanki is the Director of Cricket over at Gujarat Titans. And these guys actually invest in following the domestics, and trying to scout players etc. So they do have good knowledge of the conditions here, like how it used to be about England due to county cricket back in the 70s to the 90s.

Oct-Nov is really a pretty crappy time to have cricket over in India. Most of the country has their monsoon during this time. I assume NZ, Aus, SA etc raised a stink about not wanting to play Feb-Mar? Or maybe it was coz they did not want what happened in 2011 with the IPL starting 3 days after the WC. Either way, November is really not great for cricket in India. I mean, the country is so big there is always a dry part easily as big as England somewhere but its still not great planning IMO.

Jan-Mar/Apr is the ideal time for cricket in India.
 

Red_Ink_Squid

Global Moderator
I saw an interesting interview with Buttler a couple of weeks ago, where he talked about different conditions at different Indian venues requiring a different sort of attack. Some places will require two full-time spinners (plus Livingtone of course) whereas others would require the extra seamer instead of Moeen or Rashid. I found it interesting because it went against the standard expectation that you pack the side with spinners in India. And I suppose it stems from Buttler's experience of playing in the IPL for so many years. I liked how he was quietly matter-of-fact about it, coming over as someone who knew what he was talking about.
Not heard that interview, but sounds like a sensible analysis and I think that's a fair take on Buttler. I don't think he has the same motivational fire as captain that Morgan before him did (or e.g. Stokes has), but he does strike me as someone who thinks a lot about the game and works hard on the preparation side of things.
 

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
I saw an interesting interview with Buttler a couple of weeks ago, where he talked about different conditions at different Indian venues requiring a different sort of attack. Some places will require two full-time spinners (plus Livingstone of course) whereas others would require the extra seamer instead of Moeen or Rashid. I found it interesting because it went against the standard expectation that you pack the side with spinners in India. And I suppose it stems from Buttler's experience of playing in the IPL for so many years. I liked how he was quietly matter-of-fact about it, coming over as someone who knew what he was talking about.
I heard Jeremy Coney working his way through the NZ fixture list and basically talking about what kind of match and bowling line up you'd likely see. He reckoned that NZ were largely playing teams in the wrong place for them. England on a flatbed in Ahmedabad whilst getting the Asian sides on spin friendly pitches for example.
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Probably agree. I'm not mad on Salt but England need depth at the top of the order seeing as Malan can play in the middle order. Wouldn't have been too upset had Vince been the spare batter.
Yeah, vince seems a retrogade step in a way, but actually hasn't done badly
Oh and I like Salt but I don’t see what he offers that Roy doesn’t. I’d probably take him if Bairstow was out.
The only reason Roy isn't picked is injuries, Salt isn't injured. I thought he had a decent record in 50 over, can't be arsed to look it up as it's clearly irrelevant now.
 

HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
I think England, Pak, Aus are all favorites to a greater extent than India.

What would be the first 11 for England anyways?

Bairstow
Malan
Root
Stokes
Buttler (c) (wk)
Moeen/Livingstone
Curran
Woakes
Wood
Rashid
another seamer?
How are Pak favourites over Ind? Batting, both potential wise and form wise, Ind’s batting is leagues ahead. Bowling wise as well, Ind is clearly better. I’ll go on to say that Ind’s pacers are better as well(Bumrah who’s clearly better than all three of Shaheen, Naseem, Rauf, and Siraj deserves to be ranked equally if not better, for dominating the ODI bowling scene for the past year). Spin wise, it’s not even a comparison.
 

HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
It definitely does help but you gotta remember we still dont have a #4, not sure of our #5 and our allrounders have hardly batted well and we will have 3 #11s. Plus our top order seems to never perform in key games.
When has Pak’s top order performed in key games? Plus Kl has been dominating it at number 4 since 2020. Shreyas has really good stats there as well, and is the probable person to make it at 5.There’s a good backup in Kishan, who‘s down quite well recently in ODIs. Hardik doesnt seem to be out of form batting wise, but he has taken his bowling up a notch. Jadeja seems to be bowling well as well. We may lack batting depth, but clearly we have the strongest top 4 to compensate for it, and the best bowling attack overall. One of Pak’s openers is horrifically out of form. Babar hasn’t proved himself on tough, slow tracks at all. As the game against Ind showed, Shaheen can be a bit of hit and miss. Same goes for Rauf. And their middle order is very brittle, unless you rate Rizwan and Ifthikar>KL Rahul And Shreyas Iyer. Plus their spinners are woefully out of form.
 
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FBU

International Debutant
Root added to the squad for Ireland, at his own request, so he clearly wants runs
and Brook is to be rested. Roy has the choice to play or not. They certainly don't want Brook and Roy playing in the same team.
 

number11

State Regular
How are Pak favourites over Ind? Batting, both potential wise and form wise, Ind’s batting is leagues ahead. Bowling wise as well, Ind is clearly better. I’ll go on to say that Ind’s pacers are better as well(Bumrah who’s clearly better than all three of Shaheen, Naseem, Rauf, and Siraj deserves to be ranked equally if not better, for dominating the ODI bowling scene for the past year). Spin wise, it’s not even a comparison.
This overrating of Pakistan is surely satirical. Pakistan have a weak batting line up, no spinner, ok pacers but no 2nd string attack of note, and are mentally fragile.
 

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