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England thread

Red_Ink_Squid

Global Moderator
I feel Sam Curran shouldn't be part of the main XI for England. Woakes, Willey, Topley & Wood should be the main seamers.
Bairstow, Malan, Root, Stokes, Buttler, Ali, Livingstone, Woakes, Willey, Rashid, Wood/Topley
I reckon they'll probably rotate seamers during the group stage. Play 2 of the 'can bat' guys (Curran/Willey/Woakes) and one of the fragile specialists (Wood/Topley) and then see who's in form and injury free if we reach knockouts.
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I reckon they'll probably rotate seamers during the group stage. Play 2 of the 'can bat' guys (Curran/Willey/Woakes) and one of the fragile specialists (Wood/Topley) and then see who's in form and injury free if we reach knockouts.
Wood is about the perfect number 10 in limited overs, but yeah they'll rotate.
 

Ashes81

State Vice-Captain
We're in good shape ahead of the WC and should be there or thereabouts.

Our batting is in good nick and we bat pretty deep with Woakes likely to come in at 9.

The only concern for me is Mark Wood. We really need him to keep fit as his extra pace in the middle overs will be vital.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Roy out and Brook in

Not entirely sure it’s the right decision but it’s a decent enough problem to have. Roy’s lack of fitness is obviously a concern
 

Red_Ink_Squid

Global Moderator
Roy out and Brook in

Not entirely sure it’s the right decision but it’s a decent enough problem to have. Roy’s lack of fitness is obviously a concern
Yeah, slightly odd one. I guess with Malan locking himself into the 1st XI, Brook makes more sense than Roy as a reserve batsman since he can play anywhere in the order (and obviously doesn't have the fitness issues).
 

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah, slightly odd one. I guess with Malan locking himself into the 1st XI, Brook makes more sense than Roy as a reserve batsman since he can play anywhere in the order (and obviously doesn't have the fitness issues).
I don't buy the idea that brook can bat anywhere in the order, honestly. Reinforced seam on the white ball makes it swing around corner's and brook doesn't have the technique to last vs that opening, and he's not got the ability to rotate the strike vs spin, especially when early in his innings, to keep up the run-a-ball middle overs that make the england machine work.
 

FBU

International Debutant
I think they are naming the 3 reserves tomorrow. You would have thought they would have Roy in the Ireland series and then make a decision. Would Roy be a reserve?
 

kevinw

State Captain
all down to the back spasms, not sure Brook would have been my replacement, Salt would seem more logical, oh and I'd have gone Carse over Atkinson, but it's not likely to be a big deal.
Probably agree. I'm not mad on Salt but England need depth at the top of the order seeing as Malan can play in the middle order. Wouldn't have been too upset had Vince been the spare batter.
 

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
all down to the back spasms, not sure Brook would have been my replacement, Salt would seem more logical, oh and I'd have gone Carse over Atkinson, but it's not likely to be a big deal.
Happy to go with Brook, we know he has the talent and if he gets in he's a match winner. Salt has had enough chances and not done anything with them. I suspect our biggest injury risk is now Stokes, and Brook is the most natural replacement there. Questions above about his ability to play spin, I seem to remember he has quite the knack of hitting them out of the ground.

But I totally agree with Carse over Atkinson. Having said that, doubt either would play much, I suspect Atkinson is the last seamer on the list.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Brook makes more sense than Roy in terms of filling in more positions, but there’s no evidence of 50-over prowess. Of course we can assume it will be there but it doesn’t always work out like that. That’s my only concern really.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Oh and I like Salt but I don’t see what he offers that Roy doesn’t. I’d probably take him if Bairstow was out.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Brook makes more sense than Roy in terms of filling in more positions, but there’s no evidence of 50-over prowess. Of course we can assume it will be there but it doesn’t always work out like that. That’s my only concern really.
I'm not sure he really does make more sense in terms of filling positions anymore either.

I'd have had him at 4 in the first choice lineup originally but Stokes doing so well there probably means he's just the reserve batsman now. If Malan is going to open then I think having an opener as reseve batsman makes more sense than basically a specialist 4-5 because Malan can move down. I guess they think Brook can open, but I don't really agree with that.

Honestly I think the preparation in hindsight has been pretty suboptimal. I think they've got to the last minute and suddenly realised that they should have been giving Brook, Rehan and Dawson or Jacks more games earlier to put their hands up. Brook in particular given he's in the squad on no actual form in format despite being rested from multiple recent series.

Compare that to the massive focus England put on ODIs in the lead up to 2019 and it all leaves a bit to be desired.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
I'm not sure about Malan being anything other than an opener when the WC is being played in India. But I don't know who else would open if Bairstow or Malan is injured. Maybe Root?
 

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
Honestly I think the preparation in hindsight has been pretty suboptimal. I think they've got to the last minute and suddenly realised that they should have been giving Brook, Rehan and Dawson or Jacks more games earlier to put their hands up. Brook in particular given he's in the squad on no actual form in format despite being rested from multiple recent series.

Compare that to the massive focus England put on ODIs in the lead up to 2019 and it all leaves a bit to be desired.
In 2019, England put the focus on the World Cup over The Ashes, kind of been the opposite this year. But I still think they've ended up in a pretty good place heading to India. The Top 5 looks sorted (I'm sure Root will come good), the seamers are starting to look like there's decent options there (if no out and out match winner unless Wood burns it up). The concern (as we've mentioned all along) is spin. But they will likely have at least 3 in the team they can choose from, and two offer plenty with the bat.

All of a sudden they look in a far better place than say Australia for whom losing Head is a massive issue. Also, noticeable that the Number 1 spinner has taken a pounding in the last 2 games too.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
I'm not sure he really does make more sense in terms of filling positions anymore either.

I'd have had him at 4 in the first choice lineup originally but Stokes doing so well there probably means he's just the reserve batsman now. If Malan is going to open then I think having an opener as reseve batsman makes more sense than basically a specialist 4-5 because Malan can move down. I guess they think Brook can open, but I don't really agree with that.

Honestly I think the preparation in hindsight has been pretty suboptimal. I think they've got to the last minute and suddenly realised that they should have been giving Brook, Rehan and Dawson or Jacks more games earlier to put their hands up. Brook in particular given he's in the squad on no actual form in format despite being rested from multiple recent series.

Compare that to the massive focus England put on ODIs in the lead up to 2019 and it all leaves a bit to be desired.
Yeah and there are mirigating factors for playing fewer ODIs but they really could have prepared better. That being said, a lot of this team have been together a while so it won’t feel as cobbled together as it actually is and the debates feel around the squad players and not the eleven, so it could be worse.
 

Red_Ink_Squid

Global Moderator
Aye, I've posted a few times here about how our preparation for this WC is a tiny fraction of what went into 2019, but at least they seem to have a plan now. Top 7 is basically set, and we have some decent seamers to rotate.

Brook has question marks given his lack of 50 over experience, but the reserve batsman isn't exactly the most important slot in the squad. If that's our biggest worry, we're in good shape. (Root's form really is a bigger concern, need at least 2 of our top 3 to fire in the tournament.) I think Brook's fine as a back up.

We're surely not favourites for the tournament (it's India by a lot, right?) but I've started to feel confident that we should at least go well.
 

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