South Africa team selection

[Socerer 01]

Reeza Hendricks was in contention for WC play in 2019 but lost out to Amla, a Hashim Amla whom like you said was a spent force..
Hashim Amla averaged 46 in his final year of 2019 despite being past his best ..

Reeza Hendricks averages 27 at a SR of 77 in his ODI career to date of 27 matches , and he is 34 so no spring chicken .. without using hindsight right now Reeza Hendricks isn't even on the level of spent force Amla , let alone prime Hashim Amla ..


Markram was also in 2019 squad so can't really match him up to Duminy but what I will say is that Duminy and Markram are very similar , both great T20 players , ..Duminy averaged 37 in his ODI career. Markram will be 29 but only averages 33 and that average was heavily boosted by that 175 vs the Netherlands this year ..He doesn't average 40 or over against any other odi opponents so again he still needs to prove himself at ODI level at this moment..

Marco Jansen has talent definitely..But he isn't proven with the bat at all , atleast Pretorius and Morris scored 100s at domestic level..Marco Jansen has never scored 100 in his professional career , in fact in List A he hasn't even scored a 50 ..That's a lot of pressure to put on someone at No.7

Batting lacks pedigree outside of SA ..Klaasen averages 27 away from home.. Bavuma averages 29 away from home ..

Only QDK (38) , Miller (35) , and Rassie (48) have any sort of proven pedigree in foreign conditions.. and we know they aren't going to get strong support from the lower order Coetzee can bat but like Jansen he still is unproven .. lot more questions than answers ..

So SA has the balance that gives coaches nightmares , only 5 proper bowling options ( Even Jansen hasn't set 50 over cricket a light yet) but then tail begins at no.8 ...Its tough but let's see what they can do ..

i dont remember Hendricks ever being an option for 2019 but im not a good source for it

again you are being selective with your stats, Amla’s strike rate in that year was a dreadful 74. he was dire to watch too, not sure if you watched him play where as Reeza in 2023 is not the same as Reeza in 2019. same goes for Duminy and Markram, Duminy was past it since 2017 which you aren’t mentioning where as Markram’s best run of form in odi has been in the last year. pure numbers will tell you that Dhoni was great with an average of 60 in 2019 and also 2017 but he was **** because of the impact his playing style had on the rest of the team for one

Klaasen and Bavuma are the two best players of spin in this south africa team are they not? Klaasen in particular has ripped apart Chahal and Kuldeep more times than I can remember and had a great ipl so he will be fine. i already said no 7 is a problem

dont tell me you’re cherrypicking stats to make the team look bad because the South African fan dissed your Lankan team lol

 

[Silver Silva]

i dont remember Hendricks ever being an option for 2019 but im not a good source for it

again you are being selective with your stats, Amla’s strike rate in that year was a dreadful 74. he was dire to watch too, not sure if you watched him play where as Reeza in 2023 is not the same as Reeza in 2019. same goes for Duminy and Markram, Duminy was past it since 2017 which you aren’t mentioning where as Markram’s best run of form in odi has been in the last year. pure numbers will tell you that Dhoni was great with an average of 60 in 2019 and also 2017 but he was **** because of the impact his playing style had on the rest of the team for one

Klaasen and Bavuma are the two best players of spin in this south africa team are they not? Klaasen in particular has ripped apart Chahal and Kuldeep more times than I can remember and had a great ipl so he will be fine. i already said no 7 is a problem

dont tell me you’re cherrypicking stats to make the team look bad because the South African fan dissed your Lankan team lol

Of course not I like SA cricket, but I can see problems based on my findings which ive put through , I think we will see Sa finish around 8th and maybe we will finish 7th ..Haha it's all good fun

 

[Dendarii]

i dont remember Hendricks ever being an option for 2019 but im not a good source for it

He did play ODIs in 2019 ahead of the World Cup, so I guess that means he was under consideration. But you are correct that he's a different player four years later.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

He did play ODIs in 2019 ahead of the World Cup, so I guess that means he was under consideration. But you are correct that he's a different player four years later.

Since 2019 Reeza Hendricks averages 29 in ODI cricket at a SR of 78 .. not good enough , he's been good in T20s but not in odi cricket

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

It's amazing Kyle Verreynne averages 41 with the bat in odi cricket and gets discarded..
Janneman Malan got discarded , but Reeza Hendricks manages to get into the team off the back of good T20 performances ..
He's played 9 odi matches since the last ODI WC averaged 29 and some how got in ..
Incredible luck ..

 

[Dendarii]

Since 2019 Reeza Hendricks averages 29 in ODI cricket at a SR of 78 .. not good enough , he's been good in T20s but not in odi cricket

His T20 form has only happened in the past couple years, in which time he averages 43 in ODIs. It's only three ODIs, which obviously isn't much to go on, but he's only there as the backup opener and they must reckon he's a better option for that than Janneman Malan, who had a major decline in ODIs.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

His T20 form has only happened in the past couple years, in which time he averages 43 in ODIs. It's only three ODIs, which obviously isn't much to go on, but he's only there as the backup opener and they must reckon he's a better option for that than Janneman Malan, who had a major decline in ODIs.

3 odi matches averaging 43 at a SR below 85 , that to without even a hundred gets you a space in a South African World cup squad..Is not good enough .

 

[Bahseph]

Hmmm murmurs that Nortje could miss the WC. Big loss for SA if true. Has been great across all formats for us for a while.

 

[Dendarii]

If Nortje's out then I'm guessing Phehlukwayo makes it. Obviously a major step down in bowling, but he does help to reduce the length of the tale.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

I'd rather take Wiaan Mulder because Marco Jansen isn't cutting it with the ball in 50 over cricket , no doubt he has potential but he hasn't been good enough to be the only "seaming all rounder " in the squad.. And Mulder has been in amazing form in List A cricket

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

 

[Prince EWS]

I'd rather take Wiaan Mulder because Marco Jansen isn't cutting it with the ball in 50 over cricket , no doubt he has potential but he hasn't been good enough to be the only "seaming all rounder " in the squad.. And Mulder has been in amazing form in List A cricket

Yeah Mulder would a much better pick than Lucky IMO but it seems unlikely given Lucky played in this series.

 

[Dendarii]

Yeah Mulder would a much better pick than Lucky IMO but it seems unlikely given Lucky played in this series.

Agreed. My comment was who I think they'll go with rather than who I'd want them to go with as I'd also take Mulder over Phehlukwayo.

 

[Stefan9]

Isn't Mulder's runs from a middle order position? Not sure he has the game for a finisher and doudt we should be messing with our batting order so close to the WC.

I would have considered Beyers Swanepoel. Good to see Andile with a good innings today.

 

[ma1978]

South Africa could be a sleeper pick this WC, without the pressure on. Markram, Klaasen and Miller are a strong middle order, Jansen is a stud and the bowling looks good

 

[trundler]

It's amazing Kyle Verreynne averages 41 with the bat in odi cricket and gets discarded..
Janneman Malan got discarded , but Reeza Hendricks manages to get into the team off the back of good T20 performances ..
He's played 9 odi matches since the last ODI WC averaged 29 and some how got in ..
Incredible luck ..

I'd rather take Wiaan Mulder because Marco Jansen isn't cutting it with the ball in 50 over cricket , no doubt he has potential but he hasn't been good enough to be the only "seaming all rounder " in the squad.. And Mulder has been in amazing form in List A cricket

Was just going through the thread and these two posts aged like milk.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

Was just going through the thread and these two posts aged like milk.

Not really ..

Kyle Verreynne just scored a 65 ball 100 for Western Province ..He's a brilliant player he just needs backing, Reeza Hendricks still hasn't cemented his place ..averaged 33 in this series at a SR of 84. Overall avg 28 and a SR of 78 ..

I hold the Proteas to World standards and that sort of stats would not get you in any of the top 5 teams ..

Marco Jansen in the 4 matches played in the series before hindsight averaged 64 with the ball with an economy of 8 runs per over and he still hasn't scored a 50 in his List A career ..I think every no.7 bar SA will have someone who has scored hundreds let alone 50's in their List A career ..Its great he had his first great game in the decider but he needs to maintain that , and competition brings the best out of players.

 

[Prince EWS]

Was just going through the thread and these two posts aged like milk.

First one seems fine?

Jansen did make him taste it though.

 

[trundler]

Yeah for some reason I mixed up Klaasen and Hendriks. My bad

 

[Bahseph]

Phelukwayo has always greatly frustrated me as a cricketer. Probably more so than others because he is a Durban boy and that's my home town. If you look at his career SA have given him every opportunity to develop and become the cricketer that they want and believe he can be. He just somehow always seems less than the sum of his parts. Who wouldn't love a LO 7/8 who can bowl his full quota and bowl at the death while striking quick 30s and 40s? That being said he was quite decent at the last WC. I hope Nortje is fit but I guess him and Jansen at 7/8 in theory is a decent combo.

Edit: Just to add to that, look at his FC stats. The Dolphins don't use him much as a bowler in FC game but he has a poor batting record even though he has been used at 6 quite often.