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IR Bell pretty little fifties thread

Chin Music

State Vice-Captain
Those of you who posted back on Cricket 247 will remember a certain thread that I started back in the day. This was about the chronic inability of a number of England batters to turn rather elegant 50s into 100s and the big hundreds necessary to win test matches. Chief among underachievers in that time was Joe Root who would, from the back end of 2015 (Pak in UAE and the start of the SA tour), would score 9 tons in 65 games with a not inconsequential 36 scores of 50+ that he failed to convert.

The thread would be routinely updated when an England player crossed 50 and failed to ton up. Therefore Root had plenty of contributions, although enough players would find themselves joining the rogues gallery! It went from a bit of fun to nigh on inevitability when the England tour of Australia in 2017/18 with Root himself crossing 50 on 5 separate occasions but not tonning up. Needless to say, Root got out of that rut up to a point. As since the end of 2020 he has tonned up 13 times in 38 test matches to bring back a sense that he really is a modern great.

However, I shouldn't leave this thread without going to the protagonist whom is named in the title in Ian Bell. I can see that he appears to have a mixed reputation on here and I always found him frustrating as hell. With an elegant half century on debut in 2004, his debacle against Australia in 2005 and so many fits and starts for a good few years before he finally found some consistency in late 2009 against South Africa when he would have played around 50 tests. It wasn't that he was a real under-acheiveing player a la Ramprakash and Hick, it was just that many contributions would be classily crafted scores above 50 that resulted in a careless dismissal. I just remember that tour to Sri Lanka in 2007.

I was actually in Colombo for the 2nd test and also recall him playing really well in the first at Kandy, only to get out when the game was almost in his hands in the first innings. At Colombo, he looked very comfortable on a deadish track with the game meandering to a draw. However, he still found time to get out with a silly shot, when it would have done him a world of good to cross the 3 figure mark. He would of course go an have some spectacular periods of form between late 2009 and the end of 2011 when his conversion issues would be put to bed. He would then somewhat revert to type from the start of 2012 until the end of his career three years later, that spectacular and all time great series at home to Australia aside. He was even worse at not converting in ODIs but I usually found England unwatchable in that format, so they are far less etched on my memory.

I should point out that the recent test at the Oval, for which I was in attendance for three days, appeared to troll me with no fewer that 8 unconverted 50s, with two of them being from non other than Steve Smith, who you normally think he crosses 20 he crosses 100....

Perhaps I should finally sign off by mentioning Travis Head. He's played 40 odd tests for Australia, averages 45, but has only scored 6 tons, which seems a bit of an underachievement for a guy of his talent, who doesn't seem to be a home track bully, unlike say Warner and Labuschagne. Anyway, I'm sure a few of you have some players you would like to share your frustrations over, and update this thread when they fail to kick on and get out carelessly!
 
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Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
It's back Baby!!

Although with no Test Cricket for ages, it may get a little lost between now and the next addition. Will need bumping around December time I guess....
 

Chin Music

State Vice-Captain
Yep, although I am not sure I have much appetite to post in about any of Australia's home series this winter. I rather think we will resume posting when England visit India.........
 

Spark

Global Moderator
On Ian Bell, I don't know if it was him getting out after getting a start that was the most frustrating thing for posters here at the time as much as it was a penchant for truly abominable dismissals, particular very early in his innings. This one, for example, but also this one, and this might be the worst of them, though this is far from an exhaustive list.
 

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
Those of you who posted back on Cricket 247 will remember a certain thread that I started back in the day. This was about the chronic inability of a number of England batters to turn rather elegant 50s into 100s and the big hundreds necessary to win test matches. Chief among underachievers in that time was Joe Root who would, from the back end of 2015 (Pak in UAE and the start of the SA tour), would score 9 tons in 65 games with a not inconsequential 36 scores of 50+ that he failed to convert.

The thread would be routinely updated when an England player crossed 50 and failed to ton up. Therefore Root had plenty of contributions, although enough players would find themselves joining the rogues gallery! It went from a bit of fun to nigh on inevitability when the England tour of Australia in 2017/18 with Root himself crossing 50 on 5 separate occasions but not tonning up. Needless to say, Root got out of that rut up to a point. As since the end of 2020 he has tonned up 13 times in 38 test matches to bring back a sense that he really is a modern great.

However, I shouldn't leave this thread without going to the protagonist whom is named in the title in Ian Bell. I can see that he appears to have a mixed reputation on here and I always found him frustrating as hell. With an elegant half century on debut in 2004, his debacle against Australia in 2005 and so many fits and starts for a good few years before he finally found some consistency in late 2009 against South Africa when he would have played around 50 tests. It wasn't that he was a real under-acheiveing player a la Ramprakash and Hick, it was just that many contributions would be classily crafted scores above 50 that resulted in a careless dismissal. I just remember that tour to Sri Lanka in 2007.

I was actually in Colombo for the 2nd test and also recall him playing really well in the first at Kandy, only to get out when the game was almost in his hands in the first innings. At Colombo, he looked very comfortable on a deadish track with the game meandering to a draw. However, he still found time to get out with a silly shot, when it would have done him a world of good to cross the 3 figure mark. He would of course go an have some spectacular periods of form between late 2009 and the end of 2011 when his conversion issues would be put to bed. He would then somewhat revert to type from the start of 2012 until the end of his career three years later, that spectacular and all time great series at home to Australia aside. He was even worse at not converting in ODIs but I usually found England unwatchable in that format, so they are far less etched on my memory.

I should point out that the recent test at the Oval, for which I was in attendance for three days appeared to troll me with no fewer that 8 unconverted 50s, with two of them being from non other than Steve Smith, who you normally think he crosses 20 he crosses 100....

Perhaps I should finally sign off by mentioning Travis Head. He's played 40 odd tests for Australia, averages 45, but has only scored 6 tons, which seems a bit of an underachievement for a guy of his talent, who doesn't seem to be a home track bully, unlike say Warner and Labuschagne. Anyway, I'm sure a few of you have some players you would like to share your frustrations over, and update this thread when they fail to kick on and get out carelessly!
Tbf to root, a good chunk of the 36 50s period you mentioned coincided with a massive drop in batting averages globally. Roots 50's in that period are probably worth a bit more than what they would be in, say the 2000-2015 flat track era.
 

Chin Music

State Vice-Captain

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
Stephen Fleming: 9 100s & 46 50s

Should've averaged 45+ instead of 40.
Was dreadful in NZ - 2 100s and 21 50s in 54 tests at an average of 33.87

Meanwhile was absolutely brilliant in Asia and is one of the few to own Murali in SL.
 
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kevinw

State Captain
What's a good/bad conversion rate? Thorpe was bad for not converting fifties. 16 100s and 39 50s. At least Ravi Bopara knew how to ton up.
 

Ali TT

International Vice-Captain
Ah, my favourite thread from the old forum. The thing with Root was that even though he was failing to convert, if you combined the records of the rest of his teammates in that period, they were even worse! It was a particular English disease at the time.

Globally, Niroshan Dickwella is, err, dick-ing on everyone from a great height currently. 22 fifties, HS 96. He's even exceeded his sometime teammate Mathews who for a long trot in the early part of his career was averaging over 50 despite having only converted 4 of 25 50+ scores. He's been more effective converting since, even though his average has fallen back to 45!
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
On Ian Bell, I don't know if it was him getting out after getting a start that was the most frustrating thing for posters here at the time as much as it was a penchant for truly abominable dismissals, particular very early in his innings. This one, for example, but also this one, and this might be the worst of them, though this is far from an exhaustive list.
:laugh: That India one in 2012 is a beauty. I know ego can be helpful to a professional sportsperson, but the cricinfo commentator summarises it perfectly. How can you sit there at 69-4 thinking coming down the track the very first ball you go out there is a good idea?

Then I read the article during the Ashes where he analysed Ian Bell's career more than the series in progress, which explains it all
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
What's a good/bad conversion rate? Thorpe was bad for not converting fifties. 16 100s and 39 50s. At least Ravi Bopara knew how to ton up.
S.Fleming, from memory 42 half-centuries and 9 tons (I haven't looked this up on cricinfo, it's just a stat we as jilted 2000s NZ fans had burned into our brains). That counts as bad. EDIT - never mind, FP posted it above. 46 and 9, yikes. 2 and 21 in his own conditions, crazy.

Good question though - what is a reasonable ratio? I wouldn't begin to know.
 

Adders

Cricketer Of The Year
How can you sit there at 69-4 thinking coming down the track the very first ball you go out there is a good idea?
Exactly what England's current No 6 would look to do and it would be encouraged........maybe Ian Bell was an early adopter for Bazball?
 

mr_mister

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Ranatunga is the true king of this.

Including tests and ODIs it's 8 tons and 87 fifties

There's not much footage of him batting on YouTube, I can only assume he got fatigued a lot after passing 50?
 

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
On Ian Bell, I don't know if it was him getting out after getting a start that was the most frustrating thing for posters here at the time as much as it was a penchant for truly abominable dismissals, particular very early in his innings. This one, for example, but also this one, and this might be the worst of them, though this is far from an exhaustive list.
Has Cam Green made it into the "truly abdominable dismissal. particularly early" club yet? Swear he's gotten out early doors mishitting long-hops from the spinners 3 times so far in his test career, and there's a few other horrible dismissals in their aswell.
 

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
S.Fleming, from memory 42 half-centuries and 9 tons (I haven't looked this up on cricinfo, it's just a stat we as jilted 2000s NZ fans had burned into our brains). That counts as bad. EDIT - never mind, FP posted it above. 46 and 9, yikes. 2 and 21 in his own conditions, crazy.

Good question though - what is a reasonable ratio? I wouldn't begin to know.
I thought the acceptable ratio was 50% (at least that's what commentators would have us believe). Anything above that is probably pretty special. So someone like Cook for example, 57 50's but 33 tons would seem to be pretty good.
 

Howe_zat

Audio File
I thought the acceptable ratio was 50% (at least that's what commentators would have us believe). Anything above that is probably pretty special. So someone like Cook for example, 57 50's but 33 tons would seem to be pretty good.
If someone has twice as many 50-99 scores as they have hundreds, that's a conversion rate of 1/3, since the rate is the proportion of 50+ scores that reach 100.

So a 50% conversion rate (as many hundreds as 50-99 scores) is actually really high. Bradman, M Clarke, Hayden, Younis Khan, Vaughan and Kohli are the only players with 4000 runs and 50% or better.
 

Coronis

International Coach
Well of current players who have scored at least one ton, how about Bavuma? 2 tons and 20 fifties. Pretty eh for a specialist batsman and test captain. Also has 16/48 total in first class cricket.
 

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