Do you believe slip fielding should factor in to your selection of an ATG XI that you intend to take the field

[SillyCowCorner1]

Rahkeem Cornwall is excellent at slip…but if the ball drops in front of him and dally away, he’s let the keeper run away

 

[kyear2]

Rahkeem Cornwall is excellent at slip…but if the ball drops in front of him and dally away, he’s let the keeper run away

Don't think he should be on the field, so wouldn't comment beyond saying I wouldn't ho as far as excellent

 

[TheJediBrah]

I vaguely recall a few, but more importantly don't recall any special grabs either.

I watched watched nearly every ball of Australian cricket from 1999 to his retirement and he dropped quite a few. Notably a Damien Fleming hatrick ball.

I would still put him above average, but nowhere near the best. He was Australia's worst slip fielder in that time by a distance

 

[Red]

I watched watched nearly every ball of Australian cricket from 1999 to his retirement and he dropped quite a few. Notably a Damien Fleming hatrick ball.

I would still put him above average, but nowhere near the best. He was Australia's worst slip fielder in that time by a distance

Don’t think he was a worse first slip than Hayden by a distance.

Hayden was very good in gully but about on par with Warne at slip. And Warne was better than Langer, who was in the cordon a bit.

Clearly Taylor and Waugh were better, but they were better than almost anyone ever.

 

[The Sean]

I watched watched nearly every ball of Australian cricket from 1999 to his retirement and he dropped quite a few. Notably a Damien Fleming hatrick ball.

I would still put him above average, but nowhere near the best. He was Australia's worst slip fielder in that time by a distance

And KP at The Oval.

 

[Prince EWS]

And KP at The Oval.

Leave Warne out of the Oval.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Don’t think he was a worse first slip than Hayden by a distance.

Hayden was very good in gully but about on par with Warne at slip. And Warne was better than Langer, who was in the cordon a bit.

Clearly Taylor and Waugh were better, but they were better than almost anyone ever.

Hayden was better than Warne for mine. More reliable and took more that Warne wouldn't even have gone at. Like I said I still would put Warne above average overall but maybe he's unlucky to be compared to guys like Waugh and Ponting who were just untouchable. Would look better in a side with more limited slippers

 

[Migara]

Little hard on poor Gus, but yeah, I agreed they would have been valuable contributors and could have extended the dynasties.

Would you agree that a Ponting or Richardson would've have helped with the '80's / 90's Pakistan unit as well, (not even going to the the level of Richards or Sobers) sure Wasim and Imran would have enjoyed that as well.

They don't need a Ponting. A Dilshan would have done. Average 40 with bat and mercurial in the field.

 

[kyear2]

Don’t think he was a worse first slip than Hayden by a distance.

Hayden was very good in gully but about on par with Warne at slip. And Warne was better than Langer, who was in the cordon a bit.

Clearly Taylor and Waugh were better, but they were better than almost anyone ever.

I agree that Hayden was superb at gully, but
think he was also equally good at slip and he was especially good at bringing in those low dying "half" chances, his hands just seemed massive. So yes, thought he was better than Shane.

 

[shortpitched713]

Yet another reason that Hayden should make more ATG sides. Didn't see Len Hutton pulling those kinds of feats (Okay most of us haven't bothered trying to see Hutton do much of anything, but yeah... ).

 

[kyear2]

Yet another reason that Hayden should make more ATG sides. Didn't see Len Hutton pulling those kinds of feats (Okay most of us haven't bothered trying to see Hutton do much of anything, but yeah... ).

You can appreciate Hayden without disparaging the greatest opener of all time. Just saying

 

[shortpitched713]

You can appreciate Hayden without disparaging the greatest opener of all time. Just saying

It's not a personal thing. I have to be critical, in as objective of a way as possible in order to make any of these determinations.

Gavaskar and Hayden for mine faced and excelled against things that Hutton rarely did, and could even struggle with. I don't think it's a matter of course that Hutton just gets to be deified and held in an incomparable light, just because he's old. If I had to pick openers I'd pick the modern pair before him. And that's having seen the Hutton footage.

 

[kyear2]

It's not a personal thing. I have to be critical, in as objective of a way as possible in order to make any of these determinations.

Gavaskar and Hayden for mine faced and excelled against things that Hutton rarely did, and could even struggle with. I don't think it's a matter of course that Hutton just gets to be deified and held in an incomparable light, just because he's old. If I had to pick openers I'd pick the modern pair before him. And that's having seen the Hutton footage.

But unlike Hobbs and pre war players, Hutton faced so many great fast bowlers and among the first mystery spinners as well. Unlike some of the pre war batsmen he travelled, he had to contend with the injury, he sustained during the war.

 

[shortpitched713]

But unlike Hobbs and pre war players, Hutton faced so many great fast bowlers and among the first mystery spinners as well. Unlike some of the pre war batsmen he travelled, he had to contend with the injury, he sustained during the war.

He's a great batsman, top 15 for mine, Sutcliffe and Hobbs are nowhere compared to him. But I'd still rather take the modern pair.

 

[kyear2]

Yet another reason that Hayden should make more ATG sides. Didn't see Len Hutton pulling those kinds of feats (Okay most of us haven't bothered trying to see Hutton do much of anything, but yeah... ).

And don't get me wrong, and as I've previously said, think Hayden could have been the one thing the one thing most ATG teams lack, an aggressive LH opener who was great in the cordon or could bowl a bit.

 

[Red]

Yet another reason that Hayden should make more ATG sides. Didn't see Len Hutton pulling those kinds of feats (Okay most of us haven't bothered trying to see Hutton do much of anything, but yeah... ).

Shame he was pretty ordinary once real pace came into the equation. Which wouldn’t work in an ATG scenario.

 

[shortpitched713]

Shame he was pretty ordinary once real pace came into the equation. Which wouldn’t work in an ATG scenario.

Neither would Hutton then, I suppose...

 

[kyear2]

Neither would Hutton then, I suppose...

Lindwall, Miller?

 

[kyear2]

I think that part of the issue of looking at highlights of Steyn, McGrath, Lillee, the quartet etc is that it makes catching look so very effortless, but that's more testimony to the Kallis's, Ponting's, Waugh's, Chappell's, Lloyd's and Richards of the world.
Weaker cordons for any of them, and the team success far less their personal success wouldn't quite have been the same.

 

[Coronis]

But unlike Hobbs and pre war players, Hutton faced so many great fast bowlers and among the first mystery spinners as well. Unlike some of the pre war batsmen he travelled, he had to contend with the injury, he sustained during the war.

Which pre-war batsmen weren’t travelling?