Was 2-2 a fair result?

[The_CricketUmpire]

If you take the rain out of the equation, and England play inches better earlier in the series it's an easy 4-1 win.
Ancient history now but overall England were the better team and 2-2 seems flattering for the Aussies.

I tend to agree but another way of looking at it is that England were 0-2 after the first two Test matches...so they were coming from a long way back and did indeed finish strong.

2-2 is is fair with England probably being slightly better but again that start probably cost them.

 

[Victor Ian]

The start certainly cost them. It is why goind down 2-0 is generally a strategy of fail.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Who cares it's over and done with. Bored with all the crap from both sets of press/fans about luck/umpires/rain. It was a great series, it was drawn. Just remember it as a fun tight series.

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

Who cares it's over and done with. Bored with all the crap from both sets of press/fans about luck/umpires/rain. It was a great series, it was drawn. Just remember it as a fun tight series.

Yeah fans from both teams have gone overboard complaining about this and that etc etc. Pretty poor I reckon.

 

[Victor Ian]

Yeah, and fans from neither team have gone overboard with complaining about our complaints. They have complaint envy.

 

[shortpitched713]

Yeah, and fans from neither team have gone overboard with complaining about our complaints. They have complaint envy.

Enough! Stop complaining about our complaining about your complaining!

 

[Ali TT]

Victory in the football today confirms England's Ashes wins (men's and women's).

 

[Burgey]

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[Jumno]

England faired better, let that lords chase slip

 

[Son Of Coco]

Yeah fans from both teams have gone overboard complaining about this and that etc etc. Pretty poor I reckon.

You would say that Kumar.

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

You would say that Kumar.

Need to strip the emotion away.

 

[GIMH]

I thought the clip posted by Burgey was funny but some of these quotes are bizarre

’5-0 was probably fair’ – Australia’s cricketers poke fun at England over ‘moral Ashes victory’ claims

The Australians cricketers who played in the 2023 Ashes, including captain Pat Cummins, responded to England’s ‘moral victory’ claims during the Test series.Subscribe to the Wisden Cricket YouTube channel for post-match analysis, player interviews, and much more.

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Insecure bunch it seems

 

[Son Of Coco]

I thought the clip posted by Burgey was funny but some of these quotes are bizarre

’5-0 was probably fair’ – Australia’s cricketers poke fun at England over ‘moral Ashes victory’ claims

The Australians cricketers who played in the 2023 Ashes, including captain Pat Cummins, responded to England’s ‘moral victory’ claims during the Test series.Subscribe to the Wisden Cricket YouTube channel for post-match analysis, player interviews, and much more.

wisden.com

Insecure bunch it seems

I find it pretty funny from this side of the fence. I mean, you could see what Cummins attitude was towards the horseshit that was going on during the series so making fun of it in the way he has is no surprise. There's also the fact that The Grade Cricketer is a show that pokes fun at a lot of things in cricket, and most of the guests on the show approach it with that in mind.

I don't find these quotes any more bizarre than most of what England trotted out during the series. The only difference being, they were apparently not joking.

 

[Molehill]

I find it pretty funny from this side of the fence. I mean, you could see what Cummins attitude was towards the horse**** that was going on during the series so making fun of it in the way he has is no surprise. There's also the fact that The Grade Cricketer is a show that pokes fun at a lot of things in cricket, and most of the guests on the show approach it with that in mind.

I don't find these quotes any more bizarre than most of what England trotted out during the series. The only difference being, they were apparently not joking.

I find it bizarre that it's still being discussed - haven't we moved on yet?

Strikes me that the Grade Cricketer should've tried to stay relevant at the time rather than waiting for the players to return home after they'd been swanning around the Mediterranean.

 

[Son Of Coco]

I find it bizarre that it's still being discussed - haven't we moved on yet?

Strikes me that the Grade Cricketer should've tried to stay relevant at the time rather than waiting for the players to return home after they'd been swanning around the Mediterranean.

They were talking about it at the time.

 

[Molehill]

They were talking about it at the time.

And they're still talking about it now.

Just out of interest, do they ask any of the Aussie players "how do you feel about ****ing up a 2-0 lead and blowing the chance to win in England for the first time in 22 years"?

 

[GIMH]

And they're still talking about it now.

Just out of interest, do they ask any of the Aussie players "how do you feel about ****ing up a 2-0 lead and blowing the chance to win in England for the first time in 22 years"?

The lack of context, and associated dishonesty, in Hazelwood's quote about the 2-2 is remarkable really. I wouldn't have been happy with 2-2 before the series. Hell, I wouldn't have been happy with it after Lord's. But to come from 2 down and the tie the series against the so-called world champions is something it's okay to be pleased about. Jesus go look at the match thread around 3pm on day 1 of Headingley when 5-0 was apparently inevitable.

It was a cracking series and even though rain saved them in the 4th, I stand by 2-2 being fair because if we win at OT everything after there potentially changes. But the quotes attached to these players just make them look like they're deflecting. Embarrassing, frankly.

 

[Molehill]

The lack of context, and associated dishonesty, in Hazelwood's quote about the 2-2 is remarkable really. I wouldn't have been happy with 2-2 before the series. Hell, I wouldn't have been happy with it after Lord's. But to come from 2 down and the tie the series against the so-called world champions is something it's okay to be pleased about. Jesus go look at the match thread around 3pm on day 1 of Headingley when 5-0 was apparently inevitable.

It was a cracking series and even though rain saved them in the 4th, I stand by 2-2 being fair because if we win at OT everything after there potentially changes. But the quotes attached to these players just make them look like they're deflecting. Embarrassing, frankly.

I particularly like Starc referencing the Women's Ashes and Football World Cup. The Women were expected to obliterate England in the Ashes (in which his own wife had a mare of a series) whilst the the Aussies got knocked out by England in the Football. What planet is he on?

You're right, it's all about deflecting the fact they threw away a 2-0 lead which had largely been gifted to them anyway.

 

[Son Of Coco]

The lack of context, and associated dishonesty, in Hazelwood's quote about the 2-2 is remarkable really. I wouldn't have been happy with 2-2 before the series. Hell, I wouldn't have been happy with it after Lord's. But to come from 2 down and the tie the series against the so-called world champions is something it's okay to be pleased about. Jesus go look at the match thread around 3pm on day 1 of Headingley when 5-0 was apparently inevitable.

It was a cracking series and even though rain saved them in the 4th, I stand by 2-2 being fair because if we win at OT everything after there potentially changes. But the quotes attached to these players just make them look like they're deflecting. Embarrassing, frankly.

More or less embarrassing than England's carry on during the series?

It's funny how the English always get stroppy when anyone else taps into their Bants™.

 

[Son Of Coco]

And they're still talking about it now.

Just out of interest, do they ask any of the Aussie players "how do you feel about ****ing up a 2-0 lead and blowing the chance to win in England for the first time in 22 years"?

It would've been their first chance to interview the players since The Ashes.

As if they wouldn't ask them about it.