The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Prince EWS]

Yep Matthew Hayden > Sachin Tendulkar is good analysis of player quality.

Almost as bade as Wade > Head or Lillee > Hoggard.

 

[TheJediBrah]

There's no joke. It's what I really think about player quality. I don't cowtow to the CW consensus.

That's one thing I appreciate about the lists of user @Pap Finn Keighl . Don't really agree that much. But it is his own, original opinion.

Bro it's not just "CW conensus" you're in conflict with, with some of these. Everyone has the right to opinion but that doesn't mean some aren't atrocious opinions

Oh and Wade will always > Head. He was just misunderstood in his time

 

[trundler]

At least Collin McDonald didn't make the list.

 

[Prince EWS]

Bro it's not just "CW conensus" you're in conflict with, with some of these. Everyone has the right to opinion but that doesn't mean some aren't atrocious opinions

Oh and Wade will always > Head. He was just misunderstood in his time

Exhibit A.

 

[TheJediBrah]

#that'sthejoke

 

[shortpitched713]

Tendulkar for mine, gets away with a big chunk of pretty uninspiring play, in a flat wicket era, in a flat wicket home country, with excellent team batting support.

90s Tendulkar was the real deal, but we like to pretend it's not the same person as the latter model, when it was.

And don't get me started with the whole "he did enough by point X" lark, that is applied to literally no other player in history, be that Botham or Waqar or Kholi or whoever.

 

[Coronis]

Tendulkar for mine, gets away with a big chunk of pretty uninspiring play, in a flat wicket era, in a flat wicket home country, with excellent team batting support.

As opposed to Matthew ****ing Hayden.

 

[ataraxia]

Tendulkar for mine, gets away with a big chunk of pretty uninspiring play, in a flat wicket era, in a flat wicket home country, with excellent team batting support.

90s Tendulkar was the real deal, but we like to pretend it's not the same person as the latter model, when it was.

And don't get me started with the whole "he did enough by point X" lark, that is applied to literally no other player in history, be that Botham or Waqar or Kholi or whoever.

What is your opinion on longevity?

 

[shortpitched713]

As opposed to Matthew ****ing Hayden.

Averaged over 50, as an opener in the modern era. Pretty inspiring, given that those guys don't really exist.

Being a 40s averaging middle order bat in India, was what put Tendulkar in a bit of danger of being dropped in the early/mid 2000s.

 

[Coronis]

Averaged over 50, as an opener in the modern era. Pretty inspiring, given that those guys don't really exist.

Being a 40s averaging middle order bat in India, was what put Tendulkar in a bit of danger of being dropped in the early/mid 2000s.

Stick to American sports mate, as you clearly know nothing about cricket.

 

[Victor Ian]

Stick to American sports mate, as you clearly know nothing about cricket.

but it IS pretty inspiring. if Australia was so roady, why werent all the tourists averaging more? i mean, his 380 clearly inspired lara to go and take back the record. that's on hayden.

 

[TheJediBrah]

but it IS pretty inspiring. if Australia was so roady, why werent all the tourists averaging more? i mean, his 380 clearly inspired lara to go and take back the record. that's on hayden.

Hayden didn't have to face Glenn McGrath tbf. Ray Price, Trevor Gripper, Andy Blignaut and Shaun Ervine not quite as threatening

 

[Victor Ian]

Hayden didn't have to face Glenn McGrath tbf. Ray Price, Trevor Gripper, Andy Blignaut and Shaun Ervine not quite as threatening

hayden had to face mcgrath every day in the nets. that he came through that without having his confidence shattered shows how much better he was than tendulkar. i mean tendulkar must have walked out to each innings with supreme confidence, by comparison.

 

[shortpitched713]

Stick to American sports mate, as you clearly know nothing about cricket.

Stick to shagging sheep mate, you daft ****.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Bit of a tangent but I reckon McGrath is the kind of guy you face in the nets and he doesn't really concern you. Like he might nick you off once in a while but you're not going to look silly with big swing or pace. I've played with a few guys like that when they come on in the nets you're not worried but in actual games they generally clean up with 3-20 off 10 overs. But when the B grader who sprays it and usually takes 2-60 in the 2's bowls to you, then you sharpen up a bit

 

[Victor Ian]

Really not expecting tjb to respond seriously twice in a row there.

 

[Coronis]

Stick to shagging sheep mate, you daft ****.

I’m Australian not Kiwi you daft ****.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Stick to shagging sheep mate, you daft ****.

You are being hella rude after spouting some of the dumbest cricketing non-sense.

 

[trundler]

And don't get me started with the whole "he did enough by point X" lark, that is applied to literally no other player in history, be that Botham or Waqar or Kholi or whoever

Those guys didn't have a full ATG career's worth of output though. Botham was next level for ~5 years then had some years where he was more of a batting AR, Waqar and Kohli had 4 year peaks and some good years. Tendulkar was already seen as a level above the likes of Greg Chapell by the early 2000s and put in that second to Bradman tier virtually universally. Huge difference. Tendulkar's 'peak' is most of the 90s through ~2002. And then he had a second peak around 2010.

 

[Prince EWS]

You are being hella rude after spouting some of the dumbest cricketing non-sense.

Shortpitched has bad opinions, but Coronis much as I love him did have a bit of a personal attack at him about where he lived instead of just giving him the daily reminder that Samaraweera > Hayden. It would have pissed me off too.