Bazball final verdict

[GIMH]

ngl i don't even necessarily disagree with the notion that you guys played the cumster really well but when haze and starc play that's where he always bowls let's be clear

be like saying root hiding down at four rather than three is comprehensive proof that bazball failed against cummins or something lol

He was opening in the 2nd and 3rd tests no?

 

[Molehill]

That’s your point here? England won once McCullum took over.

You said that Bazball couldn't beat India at home - it literally did!

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Wow didn't know you were Ben Foakes.

 

[Andy19]

You said that Bazball couldn't beat India at home - it literally did!

Bazball can't beat India in whole series at home because it ended 2-2!.

That part of drawn home series don't you understand.

I never said England can't win test match at home against India just not complete series even at home.

 

[Molehill]

There's been a lot of blow in idiots come through here for this series.......congrats, amongst some very stiff competition you've managed to stand out as the biggest idiot of them all.

Now confirmed. That's the last time I engage with this fool.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

If England beat Australia or India than Bazball is a Success. because unlike pom fans I base Bazball on Results not style of play.

So far Bazball hasn't been able to beat Australia or India at home in favourable conditions.

Only thing Bazball is beat weaker teams like New Zealand and Pakistan ect...

I haven't seen the Australians beat India at home in favourable conditions for a long time, but those weak NZ teams seem to manage it okay. And as you know Pakistan don't get the chance for geopolitical reasons.

Under Bazball England has performed superbly and punched above its weight and could've even beaten NZ and Pakistan against full strength bowling attacks. England outplayed Australia at many times in the series.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Bazball already has a final verdict. It's made them better than they used to be hence it's a success. Pretty simple. It doesn't need to work in every single series played in every corner of the world. I also don't see it suddenly stop working to the extent they become a woeful team.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Won’t work against Bumrah and India - demolished
Won’t work in Pakistan - whitewashed
Won’t work against Pat Cummins - hiding at first change

Next up, won’t work in India. Cheers

I can definitely see it giving India a few scares. They'll get big scores on flat decks and I can see them getting a meme match winning score once in a while on bunsens. Slow low turners where stroke play is really tough might be a bigger test but India produce less of those than they used to.

 

[Chin Music]

I can definitely see it giving India a few scares. They'll get big scores on flat decks and I can see them getting a meme match winning score once in a while on bunsens. Slow low turners where stroke play is really tough might be a bigger test but India produce less of those than they used to.

The overall issue is 18 tests 13 wins 1 draw and 4 losses. Given the depths England had plumbed up until the West Indies away series, this is obviously a good outcome. Sure, a drawn series at home is a disappointment, but they still came back from 0-2 down. India will be a different test, as it should be.

 

[Shady Slim]

He was opening in the 2nd and 3rd tests no?

you're right about the second - he opened in the first and third too but that's because boland played - and seeing that he opened in the second just checking then came as a huge surprise to me because yeah when the other two play he's almost universally gone to first change (which he did again come fourth and fifth matches)

 

[Daemon]

Bazball already has a final verdict. It's made them better than they used to be hence it's a success. Pretty simple. It doesn't need to work in every single series played in every corner of the world. I also don't see it suddenly stop working to the extent they become a woeful team.

Correct.

It’ll work in India, and they don’t need to win for that to be true. As long as they play better than they’ve done in the past, it would’ve worked.

The real problem England will face in India is the lack of a decent second spinner. Even leach is just ~ok.

 

[Howe_zat]

I can definitely see it giving India a few scares. They'll get big scores on flat decks and I can see them getting a meme match winning score once in a while on bunsens. Slow low turners where stroke play is really tough might be a bigger test but India produce less of those than they used to.

The notion that cricket fans have of a team having to win everything everywhere consistently for years in order to be called good is a really persistent and annoying one. Like you see it all the time in the world rankings/WTC table talk.

"How come that team is ranked second? They lost in that one series that I watched!"

Ususally made to try and complain that the standard is somehow lower than it used to be with no evidence.

 

[Andy19]

I haven't seen the Australians beat India at home in favourable conditions for a long time, but those weak NZ teams seem to manage it okay. And as you know Pakistan don't get the chance for geopolitical reasons.

Under Bazball England has performed superbly and punched above its weight and could've even beaten NZ and Pakistan against full strength bowling attacks. England outplayed Australia at many times in the series.

Australia team in 2018 was horrible India winning wasn't big deal apart from it being their 1st time.

India 2020/21 win was impressive but very close could gone either way only won with few overs left.

England haven't been able to beat Australia in favourable conditions since 2015!.

New Zealand only played 2 match series in victory over England in 2021. 5 match series how much harder to win in England.

^If Ashes was 2 match series Australia win 2-0. point being both India and Australia would beaten England multiple times if the series was short like New Zealand.

Australia out played England at times in the ashes as well.

Outplaying a team at times doesn't make bazball Successful Results do.

So far Bazball can't win home series against Australian or India so it's been average at best.

Bazball only worked in 4th test because lyon wasn't in the team for Australia.

Bazball been saved multiple times by rain and covid already.

England have not punched their weight their good side and should be doing better at home.

England have very little chance in their next series Bazball wil die in india.

Australia Bazball would be more Successful if ever do it.

 

[Molehill]

The overall issue is 18 tests 13 wins 1 draw and 4 losses. Given the depths England had plumbed up until the West Indies away series, this is obviously a good outcome. Sure, a drawn series at home is a disappointment, but they still came back from 0-2 down. India will be a different test, as it should be.

Even if you look at those 4 losses, 1 was when they chose to enforce the follow on as they fancied playing golf whilst 2 others could've gone either way. Only the defeat to SA was an abject performance.

 

[Uppercut]

I can definitely see it giving India a few scares. They'll get big scores on flat decks and I can see them getting a meme match winning score once in a while on bunsens. Slow low turners where stroke play is really tough might be a bigger test but India produce less of those than they used to.

India is mostly just quite good for aggressive strokemakers right? I can think of lots of attacking batsmen who have done well there.

Maybe it’ll go badly because India is a hard place to tour, but if they do fail I don’t think it’ll be because of Bazball. Most likely failure mode is that they just aren’t good enough against spin to handle Ashwin and Jadeja in those conditions.

 

[Howe_zat]

Even if you look at those 4 losses, 1 was when they chose to enforce the follow on as they fancied playing golf whilst 2 others could've gone either way. Only the defeat to SA was an abject performance.

I definitely think the bad decisions are a weakness of the current side given there's little indication of that stopping

 

[Spark]

I can definitely see it giving India a few scares. They'll get big scores on flat decks and I can see them getting a meme match winning score once in a while on bunsens. Slow low turners where stroke play is really tough might be a bigger test but India produce less of those than they used to.

I really think the Nagpur pitch from this year is the kind of pitch India should be targeting - not exactly easy to bat on, but perfectly possible to make runs if you work hard and really apply yourself. Delhi should probably the outer bound of how far they should push things.

 

[Howe_zat]

India is mostly just quite good for aggressive strokemakers right? I can think of lots of attacking batsmen who have done well there.

Maybe it’ll go badly because India is a hard place to tour, but if they do fail I don’t think it’ll be because of Bazball. Most likely failure mode is that they just aren’t good enough against spin to handle Ashwin and Jadeja in those conditions.

The batting will probably do better just because the players are more confident and hitting out is a pretty good way of avoiding really low scores at the cost of not being solid enough for very high scores.

The bowling should do much worse than India in India unless the pitches are so lolrandom that Joe Root becomes effective. That'd be giving up an advantage.

 

[Shady Slim]

Even if you look at those 4 losses, 1 was when they chose to enforce the follow on as they fancied playing golf whilst 2 others could've gone either way. Only the defeat to SA was an abject performance.

yeah but if you start playing this game you can do it with the wins too

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Won’t work against Bumrah and India - demolished
Won’t work in Pakistan - whitewashed
Won’t work against Pat Cummins - hiding at first change

Next up, won’t work in India. Cheers

Won't work against Wagner on day 5 at the Basin and it didn't.

In all seriousness it would be interesting to have seen how Bazball went against full strength NZ or Pakistan bowling attacks.