Who would be your top 10 greatest Asian cricketers?

[subshakerz]

Maybe if we suddenly get a glut of ATG left arm pacers in the next few years, Wasim will no longer be considered for ATG XIs and will no longer remain an ATG.

Wasim was considered by many to be the best pace bowler of his era hence is an ATG.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Tests - top 10

Murali
Imran
Tendulkar
Gavaskar
Wasim
Shakib
Sangakkara
Miandad
Dravid
Ashwin

 

[subshakerz]

Why? It would make murali irrelevant when selecting an off spinner in ATG XI discussions. Hence, not an ATG.

Murali would still be up for serious consideration. Some people choose two spinners too.

 

[smash84]

Why? It would make murali irrelevant when selecting an off spinner in ATG XI discussions. Hence, not an ATG.

Murali might still make a 2nd ATG XI though.

So he would be an ATG, just not the first choice pick.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Murali would still be up for serious consideration. Some people choose two spinners too.

OK what if there are 3 more todd murphies

 

[subshakerz]

Murali might still make a 2nd ATG XI though.

So he would be an ATG, just not the first choice pick.

Exactly. This isn't an exact science of defining an ATG but there is a logic to it.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Wasim was considered by many to be the best pace bowler of his era hence is an ATG.

If he's not even going to be considered for an ATG XI after the upcoming golden generation of left arm pacers how can he be called an ATG player

 

[smash84]

OK what if there are 3 more todd murphies

Unless the bar for ATGs changes with the entry of n more Todd Murphies there should be no effect on Murali's status.

Murali will still be an ATG, just that there will be more ATGs above him.

It really depends on how you define ATG.

 

[Prince EWS]

OK what if there are 3 more todd murphies

There's only one Todd Murphy.

 

[subshakerz]

Unless the bar for ATGs changes with the entry of n more Todd Murphies there should be no effect on Murali's status.

Murali will still be an ATG, just that there will be more ATGs above him.

It really depends on how you define ATG.

ATG basically means elite of the elite. So as time goes that pool will increase naturally but you can't have criteria that allows more than 2 to 3 entering per category per generation.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Murali will still be an ATG, just that there will be more ATGs above him.

Yes, so with time it'll be less and less likely that he will be considered for selection in ATG XIs eventually leading to him no longer being an ATG player.

I think we agree it's a dumb criteria.

 

[Victor Ian]

Isn't that what people have done with Grace. Should be 2nd pick behind bradman, but time and loads of ATGs have rendered him a footnote.

 

[subshakerz]

Yes, so with time it'll be less and less likely that he will be considered for selection in ATG XIs eventually leading to him no longer being an ATG player.

I think we agree it's a dumb criteria.

With time meaning like 50 years or so, then it will just be the second ATG XI for ATG consideration.

What is your criteria for ATG consideration?

 

[subshakerz]

Isn't that what people have done with Grace. Should be 2nd pick behind bradman, but time and loads of ATGs have rendered him a footnote.

Cricket was too different then to compare really.

 

[Xix2565]

I love the inclusion of more bowlers - particularly spinners - as Test matchwinners here, even if at the expense of Dravid and Javed Miandad, which I am questionable on. But no Gavaskar? I can't get behind that on a Test players' list.

I mean if I made it a top XI he'd be there lol. You're not wrong though, I preferred to be more balanced with the Test teams being represented and I felt Sangakkara should get a spot over him.

 

[Victor Ian]

Cricket was too different then to compare really.

It will be different in 50 years.

 

[Victor Ian]

I mean if I made it a top XI he'd be there lol. You're not wrong though, I preferred to be more balanced with the Test teams being represented and I felt Sangakkara should get a spot over him.

Sanga not fit to be Gavaskar's toilet paper

 

[OverratedSanity]

Isn't that what people have done with Grace. Should be 2nd pick behind bradman, but time and loads of ATGs have rendered him a footnote.

That's just the pre war post war split where the game changed too much to be comparable, if something like that happens again then yes. But greats of the Bradman era are still considered greats today.

 

[subshakerz]

Sanga not fit to be Gavaskar's toilet paper

If it's consensual...

Sanga is hit or miss for me to consider him an ATG. I think he just falls short.

 

[smash84]

Yes, so with time it'll be less and less likely that he will be considered for selection in ATG XIs eventually leading to him no longer being an ATG player.

Didn't that happen with Lance Gibbs as well? Or most of the early era spinners?