Sachin Tendulkar vs Garry Sobers

[ankitj]

Hobbs, Sobers, Tendulkar, Smith - all much of muchness

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Tendulkar has 157 games over nearly two decades with an average of 59 over a stretch of high quality bowling standards, an unparalleled case of longevity and maintaining quality, and averaged 45 or above everywhere. This is his biggest case, aside from being technically near perfect.

And his home away record

 

[subshakerz]

And his home away record

And also his teenager record for me. Hundreds in England, Australia and SA, the mark of a prodigy.

 

[subshakerz]

Hobbs, Sobers, Tendulkar, Smith - all much of muchness

Viv belongs there.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Tendulkar has 157 games over nearly two decades with an average of 59 over a stretch of high quality bowling standards, an unparalleled case of longevity and maintaining quality, and averaged 45 or above everywhere. This is his biggest case, aside from being technically near perfect.

His 4th innings record

 

[Coronis]

Viv belongs there.

Nah

 

[Coronis]

This also means Mathew Sinclair was better than Sobers.

I can support this.

Daily reminder that Head > Wade

never hid down at 7

 

[trundler]

Tendulkar has 157 games over nearly two decades with an average of 59 over a stretch of high quality bowling standards, an unparalleled case of longevity and maintaining quality, and averaged 45 or above everywhere. This is his biggest case, aside from being technically near perfect.

Needs more standout knocks. SR not high enough.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Viv belongs there.

No but Lara belongs there

 

[subshakerz]

Nah

Remove minnows and the average difference for Viv doesn't look as bad.

 

[subshakerz]

No but Lara belongs there

Nah.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Nah.

Standout knocks and high SR

 

[Coronis]

Remove minnows and the average difference for Viv doesn't look as bad.

Thats not the only reason people rate them above Viv, myself included.

Besides Sobers averages actually improves to 62, Smith and Hobbs still average above 55 - and Sachin’s drops to what, 51? Still doesn’t look great.

 

[subshakerz]

Standout knocks and high SR

But can't play pace. That is a deal breaker for top tier.

 

[subshakerz]

Just makes Sobers look better.

It does but not the others. Though NZ is a debatable minnow.

 

[Coronis]

It does but not the others. Though NZ is a debatable minnow.

And the others, aside from Sachin, still dominate him.

And again, there are plenty of other factors besides pure average as to why people rate him behind them.

 

[subshakerz]

And the others, aside from Sachin, still dominate him.

And again, there are plenty of other factors besides pure average as to why people rate him behind them.

Yet Sachin is considered by many the best after Bradman. So Viv should be in the conversation. Best of his era like the rest.

 

[trundler]

And again, there are plenty of other factors besides pure average as to why people rate him behind them

Like what?

Richards played in a much tougher era than Sobers or half of Tendulkar's career, mind.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Nah

Again Viv has the best short term peak of any batsmen bat Bradman. Sobers has a better long term peak. But Richards dominated more ATG bowlers than anyone in history. Richards batted in the toughest era to bat post WW-2. He has a perfect home away record. He has a perfect record across all 4 innings. The only problem is that he didn’t have a second peak as good as Lara or Tendulkar, and that is because he didn’t get to minnow bash at all. Viv is the most destructive batsmen in test history and his capability to flip the match over in a session is unmatched. Also certain intangibles like his impact upon the bowler’s mental state and his aura cannot be captured through stats. Viv may not have as high a average as Sobers, and may not have the same consistency but he is batted in a tougher era, was more destructive, dominated more ATG bowlers, has a better home away record, and the intangibles associated with him that Sobers doesn’t. It’s very marginal tho. But to pretend Sobers is clearly ahead is naive.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Again Viv has the best short term peak of any batsmen bat Bradman. Sobers has a better long term peak. But Richards dominated more ATG bowlers than anyone in history. Richards batted in the toughest era to bat post WW-2. He has a perfect home away record. He has a perfect record across all 4 innings. The only problem is that he didn’t have a second peak as good as Lara or Tendulkar, and that is because he didn’t get to minnow bash at all. Viv is the most destructive batsmen in test history and his capability to flip the match over in a session is unmatched. Also certain intangibles like his impact upon the bowler’s mental state and his aura cannot be captured through stats. Viv may not have as high a average as Sobers, and may not have the same consistency but he is batted in a tougher era, was more destructive, dominated more ATG bowlers, has a better home away record, and the intangibles associated with him that Sobers doesn’t. It’s very marginal tho. But to pretend Sobers is clearly ahead is naive.

Hmm? Source? Lara, Sachin, Gavaskar and few others did more. He never played against the best bowling attacks of his time.