The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[CricAddict]

ridiculous, Dale Steyn, Imran Khan, Barry Richards should be in the atg xi

Over who?

 

[honestbharani]

since very few hold the view that Ambrose is better than McG.

 

[Coronis]

ridiculous, Dale Steyn, Imran Khan, Barry Richards should be in the atg xi

lol

 

[CricAddict]

I think you just love the west Indians. Rating Lara over Sachin and Ambrose over McGrath.

 

[honestbharani]

I think you just love the west Indians. Rating Lara over Sachin and Ambrose over McGrath.

Esp. that gen of Windies players I grew up watching.

@SillyCowCorner1 gets it, I am sure.

 

[Silver Line]

Over who?

Barry over Gavaskar, barry’s flamboyance is better to have than Gavsakar’s grit.

imran over hadlee, equal bowlers but imran a superior bat, how did you even consider hadlee over him given they played at the same time and Imran was the bigger and better cricketer

steyn over marshall, marshall was still comparable to other bowlers and his own peers, steyn? Left everyone in his era in the dust

 

[Silver Line]

lol

go check barry in supertests, the most difficult test sessions in cricket history

 

[honestbharani]

the most difficult test sessions in cricket history

 

[trundler]

Barry over Gavaskar, barry’s flamboyance is better to have than Gavsakar’s grit.

You insist on rating cricketers on performances in both formats yet rate a guy who almost played no international cricket over indisputably the best test opener of the last 70 years. Get a grip.

imran over hadlee, equal bowlers but imran a superior bat, how did you even consider hadlee over him given they played at the same time and Imran was the bigger and better cricketer

Debatable.

steyn over marshall, marshall was still comparable to other bowlers and his own peers, steyn? Left everyone in his era in the dust

Marshall didn't choose when to be born. Dumb argument.

 

[Silver Line]

Marshall didn't choose when to be born. Dumb argument.
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So youre telling me Steyn lived in an era magically where hes the only atg bowler

 

[Coronis]

Marshall didn't choose when to be born. Dumb argument.

So youre telling me Steyn lived in an era magically where hes the only atg bowler

Shockingly yes - pace stocks worldwide were far better during Marshall’s career than Steyn’s.

 

[GIMH]

Some Bazballers probably put Brooks ahead of him

And we’re right to do so

 

[trundler]

Also isn't this the same dude who came up with the 12 year longevity criteria 'based on research'? How tf does a one series wonder then win against the man who had most runs and most tons after 12 years in test cricket? Gavaskar's first 4 tests were better than Richard's whole career anyway.

 

[Silver Line]

Also isn't this the same dude who came up with the 12 year longevity criteria 'based on research'? How tf does a one series wonder then win against the man who had most runs and most tons after 12 years in test cricket? Gavaskar's first 4 tests were better than Richard's whole career anyway.

based on what peers, articles and cricketing experts says, gavaskar and barry were of the same quality. But Barry played at a finer pace, which is what i referred to above in flamboyance vs grit. In a Atg xi i do not care about matches played or blocked, i am looking at the finest cricketers to walk earth based on quality.

No need to have the grumpies over a very valid suggestion of Barry over Gavaskar.

 

[Silver Line]

Shockingly yes - pace stocks worldwide were far better during Marshall’s career than Steyn’s.

you didnt answer it right, was Steyn the only atg of his era? Yes or no

 

[GIMH]

Following Stokesey’s defining knock yesterday, do you guys reckon Stokes is a more valuable all rounder than Freddie, if both formats are considered?

Late to the party, but yea Stokes is a better Test all-rounder than Freddie however I don’t believe he’s had an all-round spell as good as Flintoff’s peak (basically his 40/27 averages in the 05 Ashes were consistent with his form across a three year period or so).

As PEWS says though, Flintoff better as an all-rounder in ODIs, and by some distance. It is a shame that we were so far behind the curve in ODIs during his career

 

[Coronis]

you didnt answer it right, was Steyn the only atg of his era? Yes or no

Since I consider Anderson an ATG, no.

 

[Silver Line]

Since I consider Anderson an ATG, no.

Are steyn and anderson comparable in the same breath?

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Yeah it should be Garner threatening Mcgrath.

True. Stack the batting.

 

[trundler]

Barry played at a finer pace

In 4 tests against the worst Australian attack in living memory. Gavaskar's 121 off 128 balls against Marshall and Holding amply displayed that he could ****ing go against anyone when the situation called for it. You are just displaying your ignorance here. Gavaskar had it all. Batting defensively is not at all a minus for an opener anyway. Strike rate is important but not so important that the guy with the most accomplished post war career for an opener loses out to a one series wonder.

No need to have the grumpies over a very valid suggestion of Barry over Gavaskar.

It's an absurd idea that should be laughed out of the room.