All time Asian-XI

[Coronis]

imo we should ignore Hobbs’ last 7 years cos these other blokes weren’t playing past 40.

 

[Silver Line]

imo we should ignore Hobbs’ last 7 years cos these other blokes weren’t playing past 40.

who’s arguing that, thats absolutely valid. But thanks for the asia xi input

 

[ataraxia]

imo we should ignore Hobbs’ last 7 years cos these other blokes weren’t playing past 40.

We should.

But he was... good enough to score almost 100 FC centuries after that.

Hence, Hobbs very good.

Thank you for listening to my TED talk.

 

[Silver Line]

ding dong, Kumble w/o ban, zim and wi averages 39 in Tests away games. Same era where warne averaged 24 in away games w/o benefiting from indian tracks. World class stuff

 

[trundler]

imo we should ignore Hobbs’ last 7 years cos these other blokes weren’t playing past 40.

Him still being great after 40 is what makes him so special.

 

[Silver Line]

Him still being great after 40 is what makes him so special.

Its why he gets bigger pref over hutton and sutcliffe even though quality wise he was slightly behind

 

[subshakerz]

i can agree to be neutral on your other points, but firsty kumble is not world class if no one is even willing to have him over ashwin and jadeja. Secondly kumble is not leagues ahead when the stats are literally the same as shakib. From what pov did you define Kumble as a better quality bowler?

Hmm we can agree to disagree on Kumble. As a pure all-round spinner, he is India's best and the best of the SC outside Murali. However, maybe worldclass is subjective so I can take back that term.

 

[Migara]

@Migara who's the better pure keeper?

Gilly was better, but not by much.

 

[Migara]

Gilly was not only safe but he also was superbly acrobatic, creating catches out of nowhere in a way Sanga could not. He had to stretch when it came to the waywardness of express speedsters like Lee and Tait.

Plus he had the unenviable task of following up with Healy in building a dynamic with Warne, and did that excellently. His stumping speed was fantastic.

Well, Sanga did take somne ridiculous good takes and some stumping of highest class. In ODIs I would rate him comfortably above Gilchrist, because he kept to all types of bowlers. 150k slingers, 145k tall bowlers who spray it around, stood up to Vaas, read Murali's variations, handled Ajantha Mendis etc. Gilchrist never had that challenge. While rating Gilchrist as a better test keeper than Sanga, I would rate Sanga >Dhoni > Gilchrist for the batsmen keepers in ODIs.

 

[Socerer 01]

Well, Sanga did take somne ridiculous good takes and some stumping of highest class. In ODIs I would rate him comfortably above Gilchrist, because he kept to all types of bowlers. 150k slingers, 145k tall bowlers who spray it around, stood up to Vaas, read Murali's variations, handled Ajantha Mendis etc. Gilchrist never had that challenge. While rating Gilchrist as a better test keeper than Sanga, I would rate Sanga >Dhoni > Gilchrist for the batsmen keepers in ODIs.

Sangakkara , so many challenges for a keeper in a Sri Lankan team with the unorthodox nature of their bowlers and especially on the subcontinent , ..Muralitharan producing numerous varieties from his unique action , then there was the leg breaks of Chandana , mystery spin of Ajantha Mendis ..Standing up to Chaminda Vaas , the round arm action of Malinga ...The unpredictable nature of fast bowlers like Dilhara Fernando and Nissanka .. Sangakkara dealt with it expertly with the gloves .

close enough

 

[Silver Line]

Hmm we can agree to disagree on Kumble. As a pure all-round spinner, he is India's best and the best of the SC outside Murali. However, maybe worldclass is subjective so I can take back that term.

herath, saqlain, ashwin and qadir all four SC spinners are better than kumble. Kumble is just relevant due to playing so many games, luckily which he could because India had no world class bowlers. Seriously in the easiest spin era, this man averaged 39 away. Did nothing great in ODIs either to show his quality. Overrated, one venue pony sorry

 

[Silver Line]

Sangakkara not requiring to be so flashy shows how good his positioning was considering he had safe hands. Regardless when it was required he was a good diver with good reach

 

[Silver Line]

 

[subshakerz]

Well, Sanga did take somne ridiculous good takes and some stumping of highest class. In ODIs I would rate him comfortably above Gilchrist, because he kept to all types of bowlers. 150k slingers, 145k tall bowlers who spray it around, stood up to Vaas, read Murali's variations, handled Ajantha Mendis etc. Gilchrist never had that challenge. While rating Gilchrist as a better test keeper than Sanga, I would rate Sanga >Dhoni > Gilchrist for the batsmen keepers in ODIs.

Of course you would.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Sangakkara is a massively overrated batsman in ODIs. Strike rate of 78 when a huge part of it is in the big bat patta pitch era is mediocre af. Nowhere near dhoni and Gilchrist in odis.

 

[number11]

herath, saqlain, ashwin and qadir all four SC spinners are better than kumble. Kumble is just relevant due to playing so many games, luckily which he could because India had no world class bowlers. Seriously in the easiest spin era, this man averaged 39 away. Did nothing great in ODIs either to show his quality. Overrated, one venue pony sorry

Herath may well be Asia's 2nd best spinner. Definitely the best ever of his type.

 

[Silver Line]

Maybe Controversial, but from my era adjusting methods and points system, the best ODI keeper-batsmen were

1. ABD
2. Bairstow
3. Dhoni
4. Buttler
5. Gilchrist
6. Sangakkara

the difference between gilc and sang was just decimals, so they are basically equals in this format

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Maybe Controversial, but from my era adjusting methods and points system, the best ODI keeper-batsmen were

1. ABD
2. Bairstow
3. Dhoni
4. Buttler
5. Gilchrist
6. Sangakkara

the difference between gilc and sang was just decimals, so they are basically equals in this format

Incredibly controversial. Sanga was an ATG test batter, but probably only Sri Lanka's 5th or 6th best ODI bat. Bairstow has only kept in 17 out of 95 ODIs, so shouldn't be on this list. AB at least kept in 59 ODIs and averaged 70.5, so that is fine. However, he was a genius fielder (and 6th/7th/8th bowler), so I'd exclude him and go:

Dhoni and Gilchrist 1st =
Buttler and QDK 3rd =

Sanga, M Rahim, Flower, Hope (needs to improve s/r) in contention for 5th

 

[centurymaker]

1.S Gavaskar
2.V Sehwag
3.R Dravid
4.S Tendulkar
5.Y Khan / J Miandad
6.K Sangakkara (WK)
7.R Jadeja / K Dev
8.I Khan
9.W Akram
10.W Younis
11.M Muralitharan

 

[Socerer 01]

Maybe Controversial, but from my era adjusting methods and points system, the best ODI keeper-batsmen were

1. ABD
2. Bairstow
3. Dhoni
4. Buttler
5. Gilchrist
6. Sangakkara

the difference between gilc and sang was just decimals, so they are basically equals in this format

your points system underrates strike rate if so, Gilchrist had a much better one compared to most openers of his time and among equals he had the slight average lead over Sanath while being more aggressive and Sehwag is the other close. only McCullum had a better strike rate and average but his sample size was smaller, he started his career later like Sehwag and he benefitted from a period of adjustment to odis in another position before opening

Gilchrist in odis is rated very highly for a reason