Official - Road to Ashes 2023

[Nintendo]

Nobody in that line up is getting into the England first 11. A few might be squaddies but that's about it.

Green gets into the squad and probably plays if stokes isn't fit to fully bowl, England love having a genuine 5th bowler. Paris would have played 20 tests by now if he was English, and you can't tell me that McCollum/stokes wouldn't groom an explosive keeper bat like Inglis into the squad given theyve picked Livingstone and jacks on T20 form and Brook on T20 form and half a county season. I don't rate agar but given that hes a halfway decent spinner who bats a bit England would 100% get him in the squad at some point. Dom bess played 10 tests for basically the same reason.

 

[Brook's side]

Cameron Green's such a lovely guy.

He's almost the absolute spit of my nephew.

 

[Ashes81]

Green would have a shout batting at 8.

Green is really talented and an outstanding prospect but I wouldn't see him getting in our side as we have Stokes.

If we picked him at 8 it would have to be instead of one of our seamers and his bowling isn't good enough to be our 3rd seamer.

He may get a game instead of Leach if the pitch offered nothing to him.

If Stokes was injured - Green would get in the side then.

 

[Brook's side]

Would Stokes get in the Australia side?

 

[Brook's side]

Kawaja A
Duckett E
Labushagne A
Root E
Smith A
Barstow E
Green/Stokes ?
Robinson E
Cummins A
Lyon A
Anderson E

 

[mackembhoy]

Kawaja A
Duckett E
Labushagne A
Root E
Smith A
Barstow E
Green/Stokes ?
Robinson E
Cummins A
Lyon A
Anderson E

Not really any point making a team. We shall see who does the talking in a month and bits time.

 

[Nintendo]

Would Stokes get in the Australia side?

Probably not? He walks into any other current side but greens career record is just as good as stokes and he's 10 years younger + less of an injury risk. Don't think stokes is good enough to displace head or smith on current form either as a specialist bat, but given how the selectors treat head it wouldn't surprise me if they picked stokes over him.

 

[Ashes81]

Green gets into the squad and probably plays if stokes isn't fit to fully bowl, England love having a genuine 5th bowler. Paris would have played 20 tests by now if he was English, and you can't tell me that McCollum/stokes wouldn't groom an explosive keeper bat like Inglis into the squad given theyve picked Livingstone and jacks on T20 form and Brook on T20 form and half a county season. I don't rate agar but given that hes a halfway decent spinner who bats a bit England would 100% get him in the squad at some point. Dom bess played 10 tests for basically the same reason.

Green would definitely play if Stokes was injured.

I don't know enough about Paris but his stats look good and he may have played test cricket for us.

Inglis is a talented keeper/batsman who would be in the mix. But at the moment I think it would be tough to dislodge Foakes.

If we want to go down the keeper/batsman route, we're not short of options with Bairstow, Buttler and Billings to name but 3.

I think what is clear though, the idea that half our players wouldn't get into the WA side is complete nonsense.

 

[Ashes81]

Would Stokes get in the Australia side?

100% he would if he's fit to bowl.

Green is an outstanding prospect but a fully fit Stokes is a level or 2 above him at the moment.

 

[Nintendo]

Green would definitely play if Stokes was injured.

I don't know enough about Paris but his stats look good and he may have played test cricket for us.

Inglis is a talented keeper/batsman who would be in the mix. But at the moment I think it would be tough to dislodge Foakes.

If we want to go down the keeper/batsman route, we're not short of options with Bairstow, Buttler and Billings to name but 3.

I think what is clear though, the idea that half our players wouldn't get into the WA side is complete nonsense.

Inglis has dominated the BBL for the past 3 years, done well in the one day cup and his last full shield season he was one of the leading run scorers while averaging 70 and striking at 90-100 and dominated a season of the blast.

Brooks was initially picked on a similar resume (dominated the blast for a few years, one dominant season in PSL, half a freakish county season). If Inglis was English and followed the same trajectory as he did in AUS he'de be amongst the English squad at this point. He's a pre test debut Brook that can keep.

 

[Brook's side]

Inglis has dominated the BBL for the past 3 years, done well in the one day cup and his last full shield season he was one of the leading run scorers while averaging 70 and striking at 90-100 and dominated a season of the blast.

Brooks was initially picked on a similar resume (dominated the blast for a few years, one dominant season in PSL, half a freakish county season). If Inglis was English and followed the same trajectory as he did in AUS he'de be amongst the English squad at this point. He's a pre test debut Brook that can keep.

Just to get things in perspective here, we've got at least 3 keepers who are better than your first choice keeper.

 

[Nintendo]

Just to get things in perspective here, we've got at least 3 keepers who are better than your first choice keeper.

2*. Bairstow and foakes are clearly better red ball keeper bats them Carey, noene else.

Don't see how that's relevant, FYI. My point is that pre debut Brooks and pre debut Inglis had very similar resumes as batsmen and that if Inglis was English and did what he did hede be in the test squad.

Who are the keepers your thinking of, other than the two I mentioned? Are you doing 3 format and including buttler or am I missing something.

 

[Ashes81]

Inglis has dominated the BBL for the past 3 years, done well in the one day cup and his last full shield season he was one of the leading run scorers while averaging 70 and striking at 90-100 and dominated a season of the blast.

Brooks was initially picked on a similar resume (dominated the blast for a few years, one dominant season in PSL, half a freakish county season). If Inglis was English and followed the same trajectory as he did in AUS he'de be amongst the English squad at this point. He's a pre test debut Brook that can keep.

Inglis is a really talented player and it only seems a matter of time until he takes over from Carey.

He'd certainly be in the mix for us but I don't think he would have got his chance ahead of Brook.

Brook has always been really highly rated and is the best prospect we've had since Root.

He's a proper modern day player - he has the ability to succeed in all 3 formats and I expect him to be the mainstay of our batting for the next decade.

 

[Nintendo]

Inglis is a really talented player and it only seems a matter of time until he takes over from Carey.

He'd certainly be in the mix for us but I don't think he would have got his chance ahead of Brook.

Brook has always been really highly rated and is the best prospect we've had since Root.

He's a proper modern day player - he has the ability to succeed in all 3 formats and I expect him to be the mainstay of our batting for the next decade.

Completely agree on Brook, FYI. He's a phenomenal talent and I'm not trying to argue that Inglis has the same cieling.

 

[Brook's side]

2*. Bairstow and foakes are clearly better red ball keeper bats them Carey, noene else.

Don't see how that's relevant, FYI. My point is that pre debut Brooks and pre debut Inglis had very similar resumes as batsmen and that if Inglis was English and did what he did hede be in the test squad.

Who are the keepers your thinking of, other than the two I mentioned? Are you doing 3 format and including buttler or am I missing something.

Yeah, I was thinking of Buttler, but in terms of tests. Tbh I haven't watched Inglis so I can't really comment, but I thought you (or someone else) was suggesting that he would be pushing to get in our team as WK, and my point is that he's not ahead of Carey, and I don't think Carey would get in the England team. I think Buttler's a tidy enough keeper (although he does have bad patches).

 

[Nintendo]

Yeah, I was thinking of Buttler, but in terms of tests. Tbh I haven't watched Inglis so I can't really comment, but I thought you (or someone else) was suggesting that he would be pushing to get in our team as WK, and my point is that he's not ahead of Carey, and I don't think Carey would get in the England team. I think Buttler's a tidy enough keeper (although he does have bad patches).

Oh no, my point was that brook and inglis had strikingly similar domestic resume's around the time they broke into there respective white ball/red ball international setup's and that if inglis had done what he did in AUS pre selection in England he'de have likely been in and amongst the squad given the comparable record to brook and added keeping ability.

I think inglis should be keeping in all formats bar ODI over carey, but he's not a better red ball bat then bairstow and foakes is a far better red ball cricketer in general, Australia would kill to have either of them.

 

[Brook's side]

Oh no, my point was that brook and inglis had strikingly similar domestic resume's around the time they broke into there respective white ball/red ball international setup's and that if inglis had done what he did in AUS pre selection in England he'de have likely been in and amongst the squad given the comparable record to brook and added keeping ability.

I think inglis should be keeping in all formats bar ODI over carey, but he's not a better red ball bat then bairstow and foakes is a far better red ball cricketer in general, Australia would kill to have either of them.

Aha, yes sorry I get what you're saying now. Apologies for the mix up.

 

[Nintendo]

Aha, yes sorry I get what you're saying now. Apologies for the mix up.

It's all good man, I don't think I was clear initially.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I think what is clear though, the idea that half our players wouldn't get into the WA side is complete nonsense.

Definitely but it was fun to play along

 

[Son Of Coco]

Yeah, I was thinking of Buttler, but in terms of tests. Tbh I haven't watched Inglis so I can't really comment, but I thought you (or someone else) was suggesting that he would be pushing to get in our team as WK, and my point is that he's not ahead of Carey, and I don't think Carey would get in the England team. I think Buttler's a tidy enough keeper (although he does have bad patches).

Are you talking about the same Buttler that is an abject misery in tests?