shortpitched713
International Captain
Hmm, it could be. I think the opportunity cost of using one is often overlooked, to be fair.
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Cricket's Great Myths
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shortpitched713
International Captain
Semi-tangential post, but has it ever happened and if so how often have a team opened their innings with 2 nightwatchmen?
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
Just a few days ago, I was watching a show on sky sport - Mantis and the Cricket, (basically an oral-history show of NZ 1970s cricket). I almost spat out my coffee when McKechnie was described as a batsman who was a nudger, not a really hitter, when talking about the 1975 world cup squad, I think.
So, probably adds context to the bat-**** crazy state of greg Chappell's mind, and maybe is another myth in itself. He may have been built like a Lance Cairns, and bowled like a Lance Cairns, but apparently he didn't bat like Lance Cairns.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
When Bradman reversed the batting order during Bodyline or whatever?
shortpitched713
International Captain
No, basically a team is forced to start their innings in what they feel is maybe bad light at the end of a day, and just say **** it we're starting with our normal 8 and 9 batsmen against the new ball.
It's basically the most extreme implementation of the theory behind a nightwatchman. Usually in those situations teams don't even send out 1 nightwatchman, they just send out both openers trusting they won't get out.
Yes, they opened with the spinners (O'Reilly and Fleetwood-Smith), and Ward came in at 3 when O'Reilly was out first ball.
The batting order wasn't entirely "reversed": after those 3 and Rigg (#4 in both innings), the remaining 7 batsmen went in in their normal order.
(Also, it was 1936-7, not the Bodyline series - Bradman wasn't captain until then).
Shady Slim
International Coach
this the sorta thread where, and not to set unfair expectations, but i do expect you to pop off
RossTaylorsBox
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
One of the myths of Hercules is that he had 12 tasks to complete, when in fact it was 13, this being to get Daren Powell picked for at least 30 test matches.
Coronis
International Coach
Eh I wouldn’t call him bat-**** crazy. https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2...underarm-bowl-that-lives-on-in-cricket-infamy
Good article which helps paint his frame of mind.
Anyway its all the ACB’s fault.
Starfighter
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Well, teams who use them on average score less, so maybe they do.
CW Myth: Somehow Viv Richards is one step behind the likes of Sobers, Lara, Tendy as a bat(by that I mean not slightly behind, but one tier below)
Cricket Myth(and also partly a CW Myth: Sobers is vastly ahead of all allrounders.Sobers is vastly ahead of all allrounders not named Imran Khan. Between these two, it is quite close, even tho I would marginally provide the nod to Sobers, cause
I believe they were equally good in their respective primary disciplines, and Sobers extraordinary fielding balances out Imran’s leadership(partly also due to the fact that while Sobers was a decent captain, Imran was a poor fielder). Where I think Sobers edges it, is in his bowling(compared to Imran’s batting) cause he had a lot of variety in his bowling and also cause he opened the bowling for quite some time(unlike Kallis was mostly used as a fifth bowler), while Imran never exactly batted in the top 4.
Cricket Myth(and also partly a CW Myth: Sobers is vastly ahead of all allrounders.Sobers is vastly ahead of all allrounders not named Imran Khan. Between these two, it is quite close, even tho I would marginally provide the nod to Sobers, cause
I believe they were equally good in their respective primary disciplines, and Sobers extraordinary fielding balances out Imran’s leadership(partly also due to the fact that while Sobers was a decent captain, Imran was a poor fielder). Where I think Sobers edges it, is in his bowling(compared to Imran’s batting) cause he had a lot of variety in his bowling and also cause he opened the bowling for quite some time(unlike Kallis was mostly used as a fifth bowler), while Imran never exactly batted in the top 4.
Starfighter
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Can't be a myth if it's true mate.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Sobers as bowler is roughly comparable to Imran as a bat IMO in terms of output and role, Sobers being a 4th seamer/spinner and 2 wickets plus a test vs a no.6/7 mid-30s averaging bat.
But his batting is slightly ahead of Imran's bowling.
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It is a myth.
Starfighter
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Nope.
Removing Viv’s 1976 stats and showing him to be inferior to other ATGs is one of the most annoying takes I have seen.
He didn’t regularly average 45 throughout the rest of his career. 77-88: Av 50@ super high SR, in really tough era for batting. His slump(one of the worst for an ATG) dragged his post 76 output down. Plus played WSC for a decent period in his peak(1281@58), so inclusion of that would help post 76 stats and overall also. Viv also nearly scored one fifth of his runs in one year, so removing that is to judge him is quite ridiculous. His short terms peaks are some of the best ever(best after Bradman in my opinion), and the long term peak while being good and far from the Sobers/Hobbs and Tendulkar level. Viv should be seen as a batsmen averaging 50 in total and nothing else. Not someone who was Damien Martyn apart from 1976, nor someone who could have averaged 52 or 53 outside his peak, because both his slump and peak are integral parts of his career. Sachin also had a career slump at the end, and Lara one in the middle, but Viv’s second unlike theirs wasn’t good enough to ensure an average as high as theirs, which can be perfectly boiled down to the fact that he didn’t get any soft attacks to play let alone minnow teams.
He didn’t regularly average 45 throughout the rest of his career. 77-88: Av 50@ super high SR, in really tough era for batting. His slump(one of the worst for an ATG) dragged his post 76 output down. Plus played WSC for a decent period in his peak(1281@58), so inclusion of that would help post 76 stats and overall also. Viv also nearly scored one fifth of his runs in one year, so removing that is to judge him is quite ridiculous. His short terms peaks are some of the best ever(best after Bradman in my opinion), and the long term peak while being good and far from the Sobers/Hobbs and Tendulkar level. Viv should be seen as a batsmen averaging 50 in total and nothing else. Not someone who was Damien Martyn apart from 1976, nor someone who could have averaged 52 or 53 outside his peak, because both his slump and peak are integral parts of his career. Sachin also had a career slump at the end, and Lara one in the middle, but Viv’s second unlike theirs wasn’t good enough to ensure an average as high as theirs, which can be perfectly boiled down to the fact that he didn’t get any soft attacks to play let alone minnow teams.