Is AB de Villiers an ATG test batsman?

[subshakerz]

AB could have pushed his average up to 54/55 if he didn't bail out on tests in his prime and selfishly end his career prematurely just before a WC.

 

[Senile Sentry]

ABD role was different from that of Kallis. Kallis usually came a No 3 or 4 and ABD at No 5 or 6. Kallis has to do a supporting role on the other hand ABD has to play generally a quick innings with tailenders to increase the lead before the Team gets All out. ABD is like Steve Waugh a good No 5 player. Kallis and Lara are the right comparison as both usually played at No4 with occasionally coming up at No3.

I don't think so. He is known to be a dasher in limited overs formats but his SR in tests was a sedate 54. Agree with the argument on batting positions.

 

[Senile Sentry]

AB could have pushed his average up to 54/55 if he didn't bail out on tests in his prime and selfishly end his career prematurely just before a WC.

Calling quits on career is always a self centric move isn't it ?

 

[Coronis]

Calling quits on career is always a self centric move isn't it ?

Every player should play until they’re dropped. Bradman probably would’ve played another 15 years.

 

[CricketFan90s]

AB could have pushed his average up to 54/55 if he didn't bail out on tests in his prime and selfishly end his career prematurely just before a WC.

ABD already played 114 Tests you can't expect more. He had enough longevity.

 

[CricketFan90s]

I don't think so. He is known to be a dasher in limited overs formats but his SR in tests was a sedate 54. Agree with the argument on batting positions.

it depends on the match situation, Kallis position is more stable than ABD's No5 and No6 sometimes you have to score fast and sometimes slow based on the match circumstance. If early wickets have fallen then he has to play very slow and if the top order batsmen made good amount of runs then de Villiers has to play faster.

So generally a Lower Order Batsmen has to be more flexible in changing the pace of his game that's what i mean.

 

[subshakerz]

ABD already played 114 Tests you can't expect more. He had enough longevity.

By modern standards thats not that high. 130-140 was within his grasp.

 

[CricketFan90s]

By modern standards thats not that high. 130-140 was within his grasp.

Modern players have to play in all 3 formats of the game so it’s a bit too much for them. As you said 130-140 could have been better but still 114 is a decent figure as he also had a good ODI career and T20 Career.

 

[CricketFan90s]

I agree that if ABD played 20 to 30 Tests more and scored more than 10,000 Runs with 50+ Avg he would have been in the Top Tier of Players with the likes of Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting.

 

[subshakerz]

I agree that if ABD played 20 to 30 Tests more and scored more than 10,000 Runs with 50+ Avg he would have been in the Top Tier of Players with the likes of Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting.

Maybe, at least in the Dravid-Sanga class.

 

[CricketFan90s]

Maybe, at least in the Dravid-Sanga class.

Stephen Rodger Waugh

5th Position	1985-2004	102	142	22	6754	200	56.28	13822	48.86	24	29	11	733	17
6th Position	1985-2003	65	79	17	3165	177*	51.04	6447	49.09	6	16	7	350	2

Abraham Benjamin de Villiers

5th Position	2006-2018	54	74	11	3913	278*	62.11	6957	56.24	14	15	3	427	44
6th Position	2005-2013	40	50	4	2394	217*	52.04	4394	54.48	5	14	1	276	7

Shivnarine Chanderpaul

5th Position	1996-2015	97	151	29	6883	203*	56.41	15536	44.30	19	35	10	714	24
6th Position	1994-2014	38	49	10	2528	147*	64.82	5741	44.03	7	16	1	310	5

3 Greatest Lower Order (5th and 6th Position) Players of 1990s, 2000s and 2010s.

 

[CricketFan90s]

Maybe, at least in the Dravid-Sanga class.

Dravid and Sanga are No 3 Players. So its better to compare ABD to Waugh and Chanderpaul. However, he is still an under achiever.

 

[shortpitched713]

The undermining of Border and Waugh on CW is quite criminal.

Semi serious point on this. They did have the unique opportunity of every couple of years, and every 4 years at home, getting a guaranteed 5 or even 6 Tests to feast on the rubbish England bowlers of their time. Batsmen from no other country got this luxury.

 

[CricketFan90s]

Semi serious point on this. They did have the unique opportunity of every couple of years, and every 4 years at home, getting a guaranteed 5 or even 6 Tests to feast on the rubbish England bowlers of their time. Batsmen from no other country got this luxury.

Cricket is a Game Started as a Rivalry between Australia ?? and England ??????? but they also play with other Countries. The Problem with Pakistan is they have very good talent but with poor infrastructure. We only judge cricket players based on what they accomplished and don’t bring the outside factors as they are not relevant in the discussion. Border and Waugh both achieved a lot and you cannot underestimate them. Australia ?? produced very good players due to their Superior Sports facilities in the Country.

 

[shortpitched713]

Cricket is a Game Started as a Rivalry between Australia ?? and England ??????? but they also play with other Countries. The Problem with Pakistan is they have very good talent but with poor infrastructure. We only judge cricket players based on what they accomplished and don’t bring the outside factors as they are not relevant in the discussion. Border and Waugh both achieved a lot and you cannot underestimate them. Australia ?? produced very good players due to their Superior Sports facilities in the Country.

ok

 

[CricketFan90s]

ok

A Very Good Example : Field Hockey was dominated by India and Pakistan for many years untill 1980s. Once Grass was replaced by Astroturf Courts in Hockey. European and Australian Teams started winning Big Tournaments. Reason is Many India and Pakistan players were not rich enough to pay money and practice on Astroturf courts in their countries as they were only few courts available which can only be afforded by Rich, So the quality of players decreased. In Developed Countries like Australia, England, Germany many players can have easy access to these facilities and can become good sportsman.

 

[CricketFan90s]

That’s why I said to become Javed Miandad in Pakistan is tougher than becoming Allan Border in Australia. However, you cannot undermine Allan Border as the outside factors are not a criteria to judge a player’s accomplishments and abilities. Mohammad Asif might have struggled more than Glenn McGrath to become a fast bowler but we rate McGrath higher as he was player who has accomplished more.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Don’t think De Villers is a ATG.A Great of his era though.
Probably the most Genius Batsman of the modern era and top 5 imo.

 

[honestbharani]

Yes

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Absolutely.