*Official* England in NZ 2023

[Nicky]

Hello!

With your idea with Buttler, how does that all go when Bairstow's fit again?

What do think England will do if they don't select Buttler, when Bairstow is fit again ?

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

What do think England will do if they don't select Buttler, when Bairstow is fit again ?

Hard to know. If he was back today, it'd be Crawley or, sadly, Brook. Bairstow would still be ahead of Pope or Duckett though if Brook/Crawley have a great run.

 

[Nicky]

Hard to know. If he was back today, it'd be Crawley or, sadly, Brook. Bairstow would still be ahead of Pope or Duckett though if Brook/Crawley have a great run.

It seems Crawley would be the one to go but England seem to want to stick with him, probably because of his double hundred. Or because of the money & time they have invested in him.
If he's dropped, what would your XI look like ?

 

[Nintendo]

England wanna stick with crawley because he has an uncanny ability to play freakish knocks and tap into some divine energy that turns him into peak kevin pietersen for an hour before turning back into zak crawley, and his style of batting fits in with the bazball mentality, which is a massive plus.

 

[nzfan]

Win or lose, I'm quite excited to watch this England test side. They have legends with experience still playing and more than enough youth to add to the mix. Ideal combination to attract interest from public. It's going to be a sell out the two test matches. High chances England will be bowled out for like 175-200 in one inning. If they bat really badly still they'll score around 200 in 40 or 50 overs. If we can get some substantial lead in one of those instances we stand to win a game.

Our best chance is at basin. I think it'll be 1-1.

 

[nzfan]

Looks like the spinners Ashok and Van Woerkom got smashed, going at 10 an over with Brook particularly severe.

I was just reading Mark Richardson's book 'Thinking Negatively' and he discusses how he got the yips as a spinner. This came to a head when he was picked for a NZ XI against England also at Seddon Park and sent down a series of full tosses and long hops. That pretty much was his last first class game as a spinner. Yet his economy rate was actually far better than what Van Woerkom and Ashok endured, going at just under 6 an over. And they probably didn't bowl *that* badly.

Matches - Wisden

Live scores, scorecards, stats, forecasts and more info about New Zealand Emerging Players v England at Seddon Park, Hamilton, England in New Zealand on January 3, 1992

wisden.com

That was such a good section to read. Plenty of humor with England players laughing at having to play Richardson. His grand parents had enough and left the ground ?

Good thing that happened though and Richardson had an above average career with the bat.

Great book that, one of the best I've read.

 

[nzfan]

psychological tho aye?

plus it isn't neccessarily the pasting but your own satisfaction with your bowling in my experience. everything is coming out wrong and no matter how hard you try you can't fix it and it spirals.

ashok actually looks a good bowler tbh and he's still so young. van woerkom looks a bit more pedestrian but his development is severely curtailed by the state of our domestic cricket.

I think Rippon had yips recently and that could have been the reason why they didn't play him in India. He didn't bowl much for otago this year in super smash too. Ravindra had yips last year and has come back really well. For some reason it only seems to affect left armers or leg spinners.

Theo is actually a good bowler and was performing reasonably for Canterbury but then Sodhi ended up moving to Canterbury. If Sodhi plays they'll not play Theo so the opportunities are limited. Besides Hagley like basin is set up for pacers. It's a tough gig if you're a spinner and play for Canterbury or Wellington.

 

[ataraxia]

Canterbury seem to generally be fairly kind to spinners from what I've seen, which is good. Great that van Woerkom has played 31 FC matches, and actually performed fairly decently – despite McConchie normally sufficing as Canterbury's spin.

 

[Howe_zat]

Cheers Stephan. Let me know next time he's not doing something else.

 

[jcas0167]

Nice piece about the time Auckland gave Andersen a game during the 2008 series, prompting local outrage as it helped him get into form for the remaining tests. A potential turning point in his career as he and Broad got recalled for the second test while Hoggard and Harmison were dropped. He took a five wicket bag England won and the rest is history.

At senior level Anderson has only ever played for three teams – England, Lancashire, and Auckland.

Stuff

i.stuff.co.nz

 

[straw man]

Holy **** that was fifteen years ago?

 

[Nicky]

Nice piece about the time Auckland gave Andersen a game during the 2008 series, prompting local outrage as it helped him get into form for the remaining tests. A potential turning point in his career as he and Broad got recalled for the second test while Hoggard and Harmison were dropped. He took a five wicket bag England won and the rest is history.

At senior level Anderson has only ever played for three teams – England, Lancashire, and Auckland.

Stuff

i.stuff.co.nz

Are there any scorecards to be seen ?

 

[FBU]

Nice piece about the time Auckland gave Andersen a game during the 2008 series, prompting local outrage as it helped him get into form for the remaining tests. A potential turning point in his career as he and Broad got recalled for the second test while Hoggard and Harmison were dropped. He took a five wicket bag England won and the rest is history.

At senior level Anderson has only ever played for three teams – England, Lancashire, and Auckland.

Stuff

i.stuff.co.nz

AUCK vs WELL Cricket Scorecard at Auckland, March 06 - 09, 2008

Live Cricket Scoreboard: Get Auckland vs Wellington cricket scorecard, State Championship 2007/08 dated March 06 - 09, 2008.

www.espncricinfo.com

And he is going to be playing with de Grandhomme this summer for Lancs.

 

[Howe_zat]

The weird part is him batting at 9.

 

[Flem274*]

The weird part is him batting at 9.

If you've played tests you get promoted in Shield I've noticed.

 

[NZTailender]

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

Seemingly all but confirmed to start then, eurgh

 

[straw man]

Nicholls averages 37.94 across his test career – with that number dipping to 21.66 in 17 away tests

Eesh, I would've thought those runs in the UAE years ago would've dragged his away average a bit higher, but no.

21.66 is appalling.

Edit: turns out the author did a sneaky stats manipulation to exclude neutral venues ie. UAE. With that included he has 879 runs at 26.63 away, which is still pretty bad.

 

[Chewie]

Henry is awaiting the birth of his first child apparently, wonder if he'll make it for the test

 

[Zinzan]

Eesh, I would've thought those runs in the UAE years ago would've dragged his away average a bit higher, but no.

21.66 is appalling.

Edit: turns out the author did a sneaky stats manipulation to exclude neutral venues ie. UAE. With that included he has 879 runs at 26.63 away, which is still pretty bad.

He's wet-fish Gavin Larsen's kind of bloke though isn't he.

 

[Athlai]

Nicholls getting 1 more go at home before going to the back of the queue then