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Great lower order batting teams in history?
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_00_deathscar
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South Africa maybe?
a massive zebra
International Captain
South Africa had amazing batting depth around the time they were banned for apartheid with Trevor Goddard, Denis Lindsay and Mike Proctor at 7, 8, 9.
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a massive zebra
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This England side from 1902 had amazing batting depth with Jessop at 8 and Rhodes at 11!
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BazBall21
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Procter below 7 is great depthSouth Africa had amazing batting depth around the time they were banned for apartheid with Trevor Goddard, Denis Lindsay and Mike Proctor at 7, 8, 9.
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They did bat very deep (Lindsay, Procter, Peter Pollock at 8/9/10 in that Test), but Goddard was an opener - that one innings at 9 is his only time outside the top 5 in 41 Tests.
Australia in 1924-5 had a strong tail: Kelleway (252@28), Gregory (224@25), Oldfield (291@41), Mailey (129@18) was the usual 8-11.
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
Nz in the late 90s. Had a 7 to 10 of Cairns, Parare, Nash, Vettori. With Doull at 11, the first choice. Not sure how many times all played together, but 1st test v England 1999 definitely did. In the Manchester test of that series Chris Harris played instead if a seamer so had Vettori at 11. (Of course, Vettori at that point not yet the allrounder he became, but he was on his way)
Not as strong as SA of the same era, though, if they had Klusener playing.
Not as strong as SA of the same era, though, if they had Klusener playing.
They all played in all 4 Tests in 1999, but in the 1st Test they were batting 6-9, with Doull and Allott 10 and 11.
Edit: In total, they played in 14 Tests together, with 8 of them where they batted 7-10 (or would have done but for nightwatchmanning).
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honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Most tails are good at home.
HeathDavisSpeed
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You try telling that to this England tail: https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...-vs-new-zealand-4th-test-63844/full-scorecard
Mullally at 9 is the stuff of nightmares.
shortpitched713
International Captain
Lower order would be defined as roughly 6-9, right? Below that there are rarely 10s and 11s contributing much with the bat, and usually the tail starts at 9.
Dendarii
International Debutant
This combination only ever played one match for South Africa, but has to have been the deepest batting line up ever.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...vs-south-africa-3rd-test-63780/full-scorecard
a massive zebra
International Captain
I think it makes more sense to quote career stats rather than series stats as evidence of a strong tail, as strong series batting stats could just be a result of a weak bowling attack. Admittedly most of those players did indeed have strong career batting stats for positions 8-11.
shortpitched713
International Captain
This thread inherently bothers me due to lack of definitions. 
a massive zebra
International Captain
That's a pretty stupid side to pick though. Test cricket isn't just about making big scores, it's also about bowling the opposition out and winning matches. That side has eleven good batsmen but only one top class bowler, even though South Africa had others available for selection at that time.
Howe_zat
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England's best lower order is from about 10 years ago when they had Swann at 10 batting behind Bresnan and Broad. The best I can find on paper is the one we had for the Bangladesh tour in 2016 which had Woakes, Rashid, Batty and Broad making an 8-11 with 20 odd first class hundreds between them. Didn't make many runs in those tests though.
Shady Slim
International Coach
was there ever woakes-scurran-rashid-broad? i feel there were some tests were rashid was batting down at ten or eleven at some point
Howe_zat
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Scurran-Rashid would have only overlapped during the 2018 home series against India, and off the top of my head we had Anderson in all four tests.
Edit: Rashid has definitely batted 11 in some ODIs though. Something like Woakes-Curran-Jordan-Rashid wouldn't be too hard to find. Maybe with Plunkett or Wood somewhere in there if needed.