*Unofficial* New Zealand Black Caps Thread

[Flem274*]

NZC Selection Criteria

1. Are you over 30? If not, bad luck.
2. Are you a relative of a previous international cricketer? CONGRATULATIONS! You're in.
3. Are you any good?

3 is optional.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

4. Do you bring something to 'the group'?
(enthusiasm, encourage the lads, bucket hands, good trainer, good coffee making skills etc.)

 

[Athlai]

Daniel Vettori drove the team bus and tucked everyone in at night

 

[CricAddict]

I think I know the 11 the selectors will pick. E.g. Nicholls at 4, Bracewell at 7 and the 4 seamers.


My preference.
I definitely want Young over Nicholls, that is a no-brainer.

As for the bowling/allrounder mix and positions 7, 8 and 9 in the batting order. I genuinely don't know the balance I would prefer.

This is in part because of the natural decline / injury concern over our old ball seamers Jamieson and Wagner. In part because bazball could/should throw us off our natural rythym (but really that releates to point 1 about our old ball decline). Which then makes picking Sodhi more tempting if England will be batting like it is an ODI.

I kind of think this would be my favourite 11 (Mitchell as 5th bowler, Sodhi taking a full spinners workload, no longer having 4 seamers. Gulp, an era is passing):

1. Latham
2. Conway
3. Williamson
4. Young
5. Nicholls
6. Mitchell
7. Blundell
8. Sodhi
9. Jamieson
10. Henry
11. Southee

How about Bracewell for Nicholls in this team? Improves both batting and bowling.

 

[Prince EWS]

How about Bracewell for Nicholls in this team? Improves both batting and bowling.

I'm assuming you mean Doug Bracewell, and I agree that he is a much better batsman than Nicholls.

 

[straw man]

I'm assuming you mean Doug Bracewell, and I agree that he is a much better batsman than Nicholls.

I made a post about ten years ago where I said D Bracewell should bat 6 for NZ and iirc @Bahnz called me an idiot. Neva 4get.

All this because people insisted NZ's real number 6 batsman, Daniel Vettori, should bat at 8 instead of a more sensible spot. I merely offered a compromise.

 

[Binkley]

4. Do you bring something to 'the group'?
(enthusiasm, encourage the lads, bucket hands, good trainer, good coffee making skills etc.)

Whenever I hear something like this my reaction is that it is code for an unconscious bias. It usually seems to be applied to someone who is white, speaks with the right accent, probably went to one of the right schools, and is possibly related to someone the selectors played with. In other words, someone that the selector just thinks “feels the right selection” without being able to quite put his finger on the reason why.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

His face just fits

 

[Binkley]

If you can’t find a cricket-related reason for a selection, you probably need to reconsider it.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Whenever I hear something like this my reaction is that it is code for an unconscious bias. It usually seems to be applied to someone who is white, speaks with the right accent, probably went to one of the right schools, and is possibly related to someone the selectors played with. In other words, someone that the selector just thinks “feels the right selection” without being able to quite put his finger on the reason why.

Yeah I wrote it because it is a piece of coach speak that really grates with me.

 

[Bahnz]

I made a post about ten years ago where I said D Bracewell should bat 6 for NZ and iirc @Bahnz called me an idiot. Neva 4get.

 

[Moss]

Stuff

i.stuff.co.nz

Jamieson to play just the first test? The long-awaited Tickner debut will happen at the Basin after all.

 

[jcas0167]

This will seem like blatant PEWS pandering but honestly, I feel like our best Test XI to beat England (as it stands, with injuries, no Boult and KJ not being at peak fitness) might include two Bracewells. Certainly I think he's a much better squad member than Tickner.

The selectors owe it to the fans after denying us Double Bracewell in India (and paying the price).

 

[Immenso]

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

Kyle Jamieson and Will Young have been included in a NZ XI squad to play England in a two-day, pink-ball warm-up match, starting in Hamilton on Wednesday.

New Zealand XI squad: Tom Bruce (c), Adi Ashok Jacob Cumming, Sean Davey, Curtis Heaphy (wk), Kyle Jamieson, Jarrod McKay, Robbie O’Donnell, Will O’Donnell, Quinn Sunde, Sean Solia, Theo van Woerkom, Will Young

ND, Otago, Canterbury players would be unavailable, I presume, as their teams still in the super smash.
(although, there are 4 players from those associations in that team, but not in T20 considerations)

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Great to see the array of Wellington's talent in that line-up.

 

[Athlai]

Great to see the array of Wellington's talent in that line-up.

We've already given the Black Caps the two best new players in Conway and Macewell

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

We've already given the Black Caps the two best new players in Conway and Macewell

Neither Conway or Bracewell are products of the Wellington system.

 

[jcas0167]

Would have liked to see Finn Allen get a game given he scored a ton in the equivalent fixture last time England toured. Ravindra opening would have been good too.

 

[Athlai]

Neither Conway or Bracewell are products of the Wellington system.

Thats the beauty of the Wellington system

 

[Immenso]

Presumably this cyclone is going to hit the Upper North Island (including Tauranga) at the time of the first test.