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The Mankad

Shady Slim

Shady Slim

International Coach
SteveNZ said:
- An Indian poster did a really good job of talking me through 'Mankads' and how they are endemic in local cricket in that country, and there was no issue with spirit - it was either you stay behind the crease, or you're prone to being run out. And I was fully on board with that after the India v England women's game. But now (granted it's one instance) I'm less sure. And I don't think racism has anything to do with it, it's just different customs for different countries. England plays the game one way, as do Australians, as do we, etc.
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tbf even with out having to divine some sort of customary difference, just practically there are a lot more overs bowled by spinners in the subcont, and spinners can mankad a lot easier than pacers can
 
honestbharani

honestbharani

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Shady Slim said:
tbf even with out having to divine some sort of customary difference, just practically there are a lot more overs bowled by spinners in the subcont, and spinners can mankad a lot easier than pacers can
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I think the whole thing came into limelight when Kapil Dev did it to Peter Kirsten in the 91 or 92 series. I felt there was a renewed understanding of this rule from then even in our beach cricket, forget organized school cricket.
 
honestbharani

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Ashes81 said:
For some players and many fans the Mankad falls into the same category.
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But that is silly. Esp the comparison to that NZ ODI incident, which was an accident. Nothing about running out the non-striker who is out of his crease before the ball is bowled is accidental. It is intentional from both parties and therefore, the "spirit" does not come into it at all, even if we were to assume there is such a thing.
 
OverratedSanity

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Stuff like the Bell runout annoys me even more than outcry about the Mankad tbh. Especially because it involved the opposing captain coming into your dressing room asking if the appeal could be withdrawn. Completely ludicrous situation.
 
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Ashes81

State Vice-Captain
honestbharani said:
But that is silly. Esp the comparison to that NZ ODI incident, which was an accident. Nothing about running out the non-striker who is out of his crease before the ball is bowled is accidental. It is intentional from both parties and therefore, the "spirit" does not come into it at all, even if we were to assume there is such a thing.
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It may be silly but the reality is that there are different views even amongst cricketers about the Mankad and I don't see that changing.

Whether we like it or not the Mankad is not seen as the same as other forms of dismissal.

Imagine the next ODI World Cup Final coming down to the final ball and a bowler Mankads the non striker.

Now we can all say that's its legal etc etc but it would be massively controversial, particularly if no warning had been given.
 
honestbharani

honestbharani

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Ashes81 said:
It may be silly but the reality is that there are different views even amongst cricketers about the Mankad and I don't see that changing.

Whether we like it or not the Mankad is not seen as the same as other forms of dismissal.

Imagine the next ODI World Cup Final coming down to the final ball and a bowler Mankads the non striker.

Now we can all say that's its legal etc etc but it would be massively controversial, particularly if no warning had been given.
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Nah that is the silly part. It's controversial coz its seen as controversial even though there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, has been the crux of the issue all along. There is no good reason that it should be controversial, that is it.
 
Victor Ian

Victor Ian

International Coach
Ashes81 said:
It may be silly but the reality is that there are different views even amongst cricketers about the Mankad and I don't see that changing.

Whether we like it or not the Mankad is not seen as the same as other forms of dismissal.

Imagine the next ODI World Cup Final coming down to the final ball and a bowler Mankads the non striker.

Now we can all say that's its legal etc etc but it would be massively controversial, particularly if no warning had been given.
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I think it would be mighty stupid of the non striker to be out of their crease at such a time. That is what would be controversial.

Imagine a non striker forwards up, gets the run and wins the game off the last ball. Everyone, except his team, will be saying it's not a legitimate win...that they cheated.
 
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Xix2565

International Regular
honestbharani said:
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To be fair, it was controversial enough back in 1979 that when Australian bowler Alan Hurst did it to a Pakistan tailender Sikander Bakht in a Test, the Pakistan team proceeded to appeal successfully for handling the ball against Andrew Hilditch for just returning the ball back to the bowler.
 
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Anil

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the only reason it's controversial is because "gentlemen" in some of the member countries determined long ago that it was "not cricket" no matter what the rules said and passed that gospel down through the generations...
 
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