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The Mankad

Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
Sunil1z said:
I feel since very few cricketers attempt mankad , there is still a large section of Cricket community that associates Mankad with cheating. This forum is extremely fine . But on social media unfortunately many people abuse cricketers who do mankad.

I don’t believe it has anything to do with racism . If Aussie cricketers will do mankad they too will be abused on social media. However since in last 2-3 years , most of the mankad attempt has been made by Indian players , most of the abuse is directed to us .
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Cos its annoying to do correctly, the majority of bowlers are pacers and its only really an issue if that bowler cares about the batsman over backing up
 
ankitj

ankitj

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People objecting to usage of term "Mankad" on behalf of Mankads strike me as the kind who made up the whole concept of "cultural appropriation" out of their arses. Stop taking offence on behalf of others ffs.
 
honestbharani

honestbharani

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ankitj said:
People objecting to usage of term "Mankad" on behalf of Mankads strike me as the kind who made up the whole concept of "cultural appropriation" out of their arses. Stop taking offence on behalf of others ffs.
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Literally posted why it is an issue a few posts ago and posted links where his family actually have an issue with it. But sure, say stop doing something that no one did here.
 
honestbharani

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Sunil1z said:
I feel since very few cricketers attempt mankad , there is still a large section of Cricket community that associates Mankad with cheating. This forum is extremely fine . But on social media unfortunately many people abuse cricketers who do mankad.

I don’t believe it has anything to do with racism . If Aussie cricketers will do mankad they too will be abused on social media. However since in last 2-3 years , most of the mankad attempt has been made by Indian players , most of the abuse is directed to us .
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You may think so but the Deepti incident has very clearly shown me its not the case. And people may abuse Aussies if they attempt this type of run-out, but the fact that actual racial abuse is directed at Deepti when she did tells you why its an issue. Cant wait for a brown 12 year old kid run out a non-striker this way in a school game in Australia/England and the balanced non-racial abuse he will get from his opponents.
 
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Sunil1z

Sunil1z

International Regular
honestbharani said:
You may think so but the Deepti incident has very clearly shown me its not the case. And people may abuse Aussies if they attempt Mankad, but the fact that actual racial abuse is directed at Deepti when she did tells you why its an issue. Cant wait for a brown 12 year old kid run out a non-striker this way in a school game in Australia/England and the balanced non-racial abuse he will get from his opponents.
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But why are you getting tensed about imaginary situations?

Racists will abuse you even if you make no mistake. So why bother about them.
 
honestbharani

honestbharani

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Sunil1z said:
But why are you getting tensed about imaginary situations?

Racists will abuse you even if you make no mistake. So why bother about them.
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You can say that for any of the other racist terms. What happened to Deepti was very real. And I am not tensed. I just pointed out in a proper balanced post why this term can have racial connotations and is disrespectful to an actual legend of the game and why there is no need to invent a term to denote a run-out.

And the very fact that has triggered the type of responses it has tells me why it is an actual issue and needs to be dealt with.
 
Sunil1z

Sunil1z

International Regular
honestbharani said:
You can say that for any of the other racist terms. What happened to Deepti was very real. And I am not tensed. I just pointed out in a proper balanced post why this term can have racial connotations and is disrespectful to an actual legend of the game and why there is no need to invent a term to denote a run-out.

And the very fact that has triggered the type of responses it has tells me why it is an actual issue and needs to be dealt with.
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When family themselves don’t want name to be changed, why are you arguing?
I think you are over reacting ?
 
Burgey

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honestbharani said:
Thanks for proving my point.
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HB, as is usually the case, you don’t have a point.

If anyone disagrees with you, you just accuse them of racism and keep repeating it. That doesn’t make what you’re saying right.

Calling this form of run out a Mankad isn’t racist. I can understand why his family might not like it because it’s been widely frowned upon as a practice in the past, but that’s another thing to it being racist. This isn’t like the Chinaman thing, if the practice was called an “Indian run out“ or something then I’d be 100% with you. But that’s not what this is.
 
Shady Slim

Shady Slim

International Coach
Sunil1z said:
I think there is certain truth to what HB is suggesting. For eg . Aussie female cricketer Megan Schutt liked a tweet “ Indians are horrible people for trying to mankad players”.
It is obvious certain people feel Mankad is cheating.

However HB we should always do things which Aussies don’t like . For eg. Ashwin should mankad Steve Smith atleast once in BG trophy ?
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ye but the racism there isn't in the name "mankad", it's in the racism. i agree that smith should be mankaded though
 
honestbharani

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Burgey said:
HB, as is usually the case, you don’t have a point.

If anyone disagrees with you, you just accuse them of racism and keep repeating it. That doesn’t make what you’re saying right.

Calling this form of run out a Mankad isn’t racist. I can understand why his family might not like it because it’s been widely frowned upon as a practice in the past, but that’s another thing to it being racist. This isn’t like the Chinaman thing, if the practice was called an “Indian run out“ or something then I’d be 100% with you. But that’s not what this is.
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Burgey, as is usually the case, you don't have an idea, forget a point.

I clearly mentioned why the term has racist connotations when used this extensively and why the stigma and the term have basically become one and the same now. The family have felt it is disrespectful but even more than that, calling it out by a seperate term, whether it is Mankad or anything else, only serves to re-emphasize the stigma on what is basically a regular mode of dismissal. And on top of that, given what happened since the Deepti incident on social media, it is very evident that having this term serves no good purpose and potentially can cause a lot of bad ones, including causing racist insults and taunts being thrown around.

And in this very thread, I have had very reasonable discourse and debates with other posters on this very topic. You can throw around as many racist tropes and bigoted insults as you want and call them "bait". That doesn't mean they are not.
 
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