Opinion of David Warner

[Burgey]

I think it’s fair to say SL will have properly arrived as cricket nation when their supporters aren’t embarrassed by the abusive outbursts of their players and just recognise it’s a necessary and important part of the great game

 

[Migara]

I think it’s fair to say SL will have properly arrived as cricket nation when their supporters aren’t embarrassed by the abusive outbursts of their players and just recognise it’s a necessary and important part of the great game

Abusive outbursts are OK as long as you took them on the chin as Ranatunga did. Never complained.

Embarrassment comes when they can't take it but prepared to give it.

Probably that applies to some Aussies too, particularly McGrath.

 

[Burgey]

It probably only applied to him in one instance around the time his wife had her first bout of the Spanish dancer tbf to him

But yeah I agree with that sentiment for sure

 

[TheJediBrah]

Embarrassment comes when they can't take it but prepared to give it.

Probably that applies to some Aussies too, particularly McGrath.

er terrible example but agree with the overall concept

applies to the likes of Jimmy Anderson perfectly

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

If we are talking purely about his Test career, first of all, to answer this question, let's look at his career Test stats as of Thursday 29th December 2022:

David Warner - Test Career (still playing)

Home
Matches: 54
Innings: 94
Runs: 5129
Average: 58.95
Highest Score: 335* vs Pakistan, 2019
50s: 14
100s: 19
50+ Scores: 33
50+ Scores Ratio: 50+ every 2.84 innings
150+ Scores: 6
Ducks: 5
Strike Rate: 73.24

Away
Matches: 46
Innings: 89
Runs: 2993
Average: 34.01
Highest Score: 145 vs South Africa, 2014
50s: 20
100s: 6
50+ Scores: 26
50+ Scores Ratio: 50+ every 3.42 innings
150+ Scores: 0
Ducks: 7
Strike Rate: 68.33

Total
Matches: 100
Innings: 183
Runs: 8122
Average: 46.41
Highest Score: 335* vs Pakistan, 2019
50s: 34
100s: 25
50+ Scores: 59
50+ Scores Ratio: 50+ every 3.10 innings
150+ Scores: 6
Ducks: 11
Strike Rate: 71.35
1000+ Runs in Calander Year: 2
Most Runs in Calander Year: 1317 (2015)
Average Runs Scored Per Year: 676.83

Now based on his pure numbers in Test cricket, you'd say "Gee pretty impressive career". However dig a little deeper and you'll see that he is at his best in his home country of Australia. Collectively his technique isn't good enough away from the comforts of home especially in India and England where the ball is alive and does things. In a stronger era of Australian cricket - he isn't playing for Australia in Test matches and in a stronger era of world Test cricket, he would struggle. To only average 34 away from home (compared with his home average), is poor really and not good enough. He is still a good batsman but I have him behind other Australian opening batsman: Matthew Hayden, Mark Taylor, Justin Langer and Michael Slater. I even rate Simon Katich as a better Test batsman and Test opening batsman than Warner.

So overall, good Test batsman, but that's all he is in my assessment.

As for ODI and T20 cricket - very good...why...because that's probably his main arena - aggressive batting.

 

[turnstyle]

He's been giving big hints about retiring. What do we think - after the Indian tour or the Ashes?

 

[Coronis]

He's been giving big hints about retiring. What do we think - after the Indian tour or the Ashes?

Neither. I assume he’ll stay for the WTC final and retire after we win that He should retire after the next test though, at least he’d have a shot of going on top.

 

[Burgey]

In a stronger era of Australian cricket - he isn't playing for Australia in Test matches and in a stronger era of world Test cricke

You raise some decent points about Warner, especially his away record., but it’s harder to score runs now than it was 15-20 years ago.

 

[Gob]

The Cricket umpire will highly rate David Warner in 2040

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

You raise some decent points about Warner, especially his away record., but it’s harder to score runs now than it was 15-20 years ago.

I don't agree with that. Facing the West Indies bowling attack now for example is easier then in their dominant years.

 

[Coronis]

I don't agree with that. Facing the West Indies bowling attack now for example is easier then in their dominant years.

Good thing they aren’t the only team in cricket.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I don't agree with that. Facing the West Indies bowling attack now for example is easier then in their dominant years.

Australian attack is of similar strength
South African attack is of similar strength (terrible batting though)

West Indian attack is much weaker
Pakistani attack is much weaker

English attack is much stronger
NZ attack is much stronger
Indian attack is much stronger

Sri Lanka and Bangladesh have guys bowling 140 when they used to bowl 120-125.

Overall, bowling attacks are better.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Thanks Dawood

 

[Slifer]

Australian attack is of similar strength
South African attack is of similar strength (terrible batting though)

West Indian attack is much weaker
Pakistani attack is much weaker

English attack is much stronger
NZ attack is much stronger
Indian attack is much stronger

Sri Lanka and Bangladesh have guys bowling 140 when they used to bowl 120-125.

Overall, bowling attacks are better.

SL is much weaker now, regardless of bowlers bowling at X mph. Assuming things are awash bowling wise now vs the 90s, Warner averaging in the 30s outside Australia is indefensible. I can't think of any other top opener besides Desmond Haynes, with that type of disparity.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

SL is much weaker now, regardless of bowlers bowling at X mph. Assuming things are awash bowling wise now vs the 90s, Warner averaging in the 30s outside Australia is indefensible. I can't think of any other top opener besides Desmond Haynes, with that type of disparity.

Yeah, Sri Lanka is weaker.

 

[GotSpin]

the windies at home would be stronger than 15 years ago though

 

[Slifer]

the windies at home would be stronger than 15 years ago though

Agreed.

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

Not sure about that

 

[Shady Slim]

the windies have been pretty formidable at home for a while now

maybe now a touch less so than a few years ago given the batting struggles but you still wouldn't count them out against anyone except maybe us and india

 

[Burgey]

I don't agree with that. Facing the West Indies bowling attack now for example is easier then in their dominant years.

Of course it is. But facing the Aus attack now is harder than it was in the 80s, right? Same with England.

The 2000s were the easiest era for batting since the 1930s, as you’d expect for any era where most of the best bowlers of the time are spinners (because they are inferior), but mostly because the decks were so flat.

It’s been harder to score runs since the back half of the 2010s, mostly because more teams have good fast bowlers.

I don’t think you can take one team’s best ever attack as evidence that scoring runs everywhere and against everyone these days is therefore easier. It just isn’t.