What is your definition of ATG?

[Shady Slim]

That would be a weak argument.

Fantastic player, and rightly in most people's all time Test XI with the gloves, but most def not a top 5 cricketer of all time.

surely being the undisputed best at your position of all time has to count for something in that regard though

 

[subshakerz]

surely being the undisputed best at your position of all time has to count for something in that regard though

It does but a lot more competition in bats and bowlers.

 

[_00_deathscar]

It does but a lot more competition in bats and bowlers.

Doesn't that kind of make him all the more valuable? No one is even close to him - regardless of level of competition.

 

[Zinzan]

surely being the undisputed best at your position of all time has to count for something in that regard though

It does, it gets him in most all time Test XIs, but not top 5 cricketers of all-time.

 

[TheJediBrah]

That would be a weak argument.

Fantastic player, and rightly in most people's all time Test XI with the gloves, but most def not a top 5 cricketer of all time.

Nah it would be a strong argument

Fantastic player, and rightly in most people's all time Test XI with the gloves, and most def a top 5 cricketer of all time.

 

[subshakerz]

Doesn't that kind of make him all the more valuable? No one is even close to him - regardless of level of competition.

Being no.1 with less competition doesnt mean as much as being the no.3/4 bat of all time.

 

[Shady Slim]

Being no.1 with less competition doesnt mean as much as being the no.3/4 bat of all time.

flipside of that argument is that gilchrist is the bradman of keeper-bats being so undisputably head and shoulders above the competition that questions as to who's number one are put to bed unequivocally

 

[TheJediBrah]

Bradman, Sobers, Gilchrist

Top 3 ATGs

 

[trundler]

Imran >>> Gilchrist.

 

[subshakerz]

flipside of that argument is that gilchrist is the bradman of keeper-bats being so undisputably head and shoulders above the competition that questions as to who's number one are put to bed unequivocally

He isnt though. Bradman is like having two worldclass batsmen in one.

 

[subshakerz]

Imran >>> Gilchrist.

Bradman, Sobers, Imran, Hadlee, Viv, Tendulkar, Smith, Viv, Marshall, McGrath, etc. > Gilchrist.

Gilchrist was a worldclass keeper and a worldclass bat. But the quality differential between an ordinary keeper/bat and a worldclass one like Gilly doesnt make up for the greatness in being the best bowler or batsman of your era IMO.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Imran >>> Gilchrist.

Gilchrist has more talent in his ears than that ball tampering con artist had in his whole body

 

[honestbharani]

Gilchrist has more talent in his ears than that ball tampering con artist had in his whole body

When you bait trundy but get shakerz instead...........

 

[trundler]

Gilchrist has more talent in his ears than that ball tampering con artist had in his whole body

Imran would probably agree with that. Yet he's better because he worked harder than anyone else.

 

[subshakerz]

Imran would probably agree with that. Yet he's better because he worked harder than anyone else.

Yeah. Wasim was more talented than Imran IMO.

 

[TheJediBrah]

When you bait trundy but get shakerz instead...........

Biased Pakistan boys always ruining cricket web smh

 

[ataraxia]

Is Alan Knott an ATG? Yes IMO.

 

[ZK$]

Is Alan Knott an ATG? Yes IMO.

Yes.

 

[trundler]

Is Alan Knott an ATG? Yes IMO.

So is Watling.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Calling Watling an ATG is when you know you've let too many in