What is your definition of ATG?

[Coronis]

I think making the New Zealand AT team is still the benchmark. As time marches on the New Zealand team progressively improves and keeps the total number of ATG in check. For instance, Anderson might almost have been called ATG, but the recent improvement in New Zealand AT bowlers means he is still hovering around the outskirts.

Sets a scary low bar for batsmen though.

 

[Victor Ian]

Sets a scary low bar for batsmen though.

my agenda is not worried about batsmen.

 

[Slifer]

Atg: players who are sure ins or near sure ins for their country's ATG XI while also not looking out of place in a World AtXI. Teams like Australia and England will have multiple atg players in certain positions and are therefore not automatic for their teams. For example England has three atg openers. Australia will have players like : Bradman, Chappell, Smith, Waugh, Border, and Ponting. And at least 3 or 4 of the above would have to be left out of their ATG Xi. But none would be out of place in an World atg XI.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Limited it by numbers is the worst definition possible. In 800,000 years time there’ll have been 99,000 bowlers better than McGrath.

 

[Gob]

Why is he an ATG when he doesn't play T20 and ODIs.

Excellent point

Often wonder that myself

 

[h_hurricane]

The list will naturally expand based on 1-3 additions per era.

That is weird. You can have 0 ATGs in an era, or 20. Depends on their absolute merit as players. Not relative to their peers.

 

[Coronis]

Limited it by numbers is the worst definition possible. In 800,000 years time there’ll have been 99,000 bowlers better than McGrath.

I do hope human society exists then to prove you wrong.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Agreed 100%. Test match bully. The secret to being an all-time great is success across all three formats.

like that guy Bradman

 

[Sunil1z]

Any batsman and spinner capable of making India’s ATXI and any fast bowler capable of making Pakistan’s ATXI.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

There are top-level ATG-
Bradman

Grace/Sobers

And other 20-25 Normal ATG.
Hobbs,O’Reilly,Richards,Murali,Smith etc.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

ATG Pro Max
Sobers, Bradman, WG ( Barnes? )

ATG Pro
Procter, Gavaskar, Hadlee, Sachin, Viv, Imran, Akram, Marshall, Murali, Lara, G. Pollock, Kapil, Botham, Steyn, Gilly, Lillee, Hutton, Miller, Mcgrath, Hammond, Hobbs, Warne, Headley, Trueman, B. Richards, Ranji, Trumper, Kallis

ATG
Chappell, Donald, Suttcliffe, Weekes, Worrell, Ambrose, Ponting, Holding, Sanga, Miandad, Waqar, Waugh, S.Pollock, Dravid.. Etc

 

[ZK$]

I think anyone that doesn’t look completely out of place in an All Time XI is an ATG. There probably has to be a big difference in quality between the worst ATG and the best Great.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Being a bigger match winner than Kallis is enough to be considered an ATG by me. Pretty low bar i know.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Every time Jimmy Anderson gets a little bit better, the definition keeps getting more exclusive by just enough to keep him out

 

[Tom Flint]

Agreed 100%. Test match bully. The secret to being an all-time great is success across all three formats.

So smith wouldn't be an atg as he isn't great in one dayers or t20?

 

[Tom Flint]

If lillee is an atg then so is Jimmy

 

[Line and Length]

Agreed 100%. Test match bully. The secret to being an all-time great is success across all three formats.

Like Bradman?

 

[TheJediBrah]

So smith wouldn't be an atg as he isn't great in one dayers or t20?

tough crowd

 

[Fuller Pilch]

tough crowd

He is a very good ODI batter, but hardly great.
I can think of at least 15 from the last 10 years who are/were better.

 

[TheJediBrah]

He is a very good ODI batter, but hardly great.
I can think of at least 15 from the last 10 years who are/were better.

M. Guptill
D. Conway
K. Williamson
R. Taylor
T. Latham
D. Mitchell
H. Nicholls
C. Munro

who are the other 7?