TheJediBrah
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Yeah maybe. I think the widely held opinion is that Bevan wouldn't have stayed at that level if he had 50 Tests, but we'll never know.
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What qualifies as a Wasted Talent?
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Coronis
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Mm, his actual best innings came against strong Pak/Windies attacks, but jeez his struggles against England were embarrassing.
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Lewis could and should have been keeping the 6x8 feet cell warm for Stokes & Hales tbh
Wasted talent isn't always the fault of the player, sometimes it comes down to the selectors of the period just not picking the player.
Ali Brown is a prime example.
For years he scored thousands of white ball runs for Surrey (two double tons) 19 List A centuries all together, just 16 games for England between 1996-2001.
He also scored just under 17,000 FC runs at 42.67 with 47 centuries, a real wasted talent in my book.
And had a T20 SR of 149.87 from 79 matches.
Ali Brown is a prime example.
For years he scored thousands of white ball runs for Surrey (two double tons) 19 List A centuries all together, just 16 games for England between 1996-2001.
He also scored just under 17,000 FC runs at 42.67 with 47 centuries, a real wasted talent in my book.
And had a T20 SR of 149.87 from 79 matches.
honestbharani
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About Hick, didn't he dominate CC in the late 80s and early 90s when you had almost all the best players in the world playing CC?
TheJediBrah
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Similar one to Hick and Ramprakash would be Shane Watson. Everyone thought he should have been better but I wouldn't call him a wasted talent because he played 59 Tests and that was just the level he performed at. He just wasn't as good as people thought.
mr_mister
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Yeah, his FC 80s record is astounding. Most FC tons ever before making his test debut too.
Really deserved the hype he had before his debut, just didn't love up to it
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Real shame Hick didn't stick with Zimbabwe. He debuted for England in 1991 on English pitches vs the Windies for a team whose selectors randomly dropped and recalled players.
He could've debuted for Zim in 1992 (when they got test status) and played most of his tests on Bulawayo and Harare roads alongside middle order guns like A Flower and Houghton.
He could've debuted for Zim in 1992 (when they got test status) and played most of his tests on Bulawayo and Harare roads alongside middle order guns like A Flower and Houghton.
TheJediBrah
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Alternate universe where Hick played for Zimbabwe and people pick him in ATG XIs
can't imagine he would ever be in the same league as Andy Flower though
flibbertyjibber
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Na.
Lewis is as gifted a player as I have seen play for us but had no bottle. Hick and Ramprakash first class record showed they had talent but lacked it between the ears to step up in test cricket.
TheJediBrah
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That's called not being good enough. Classifying not being good enough as "wasted talent" is nonsensical to me
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Gary Ballance has been sensible that way and will be turning up from Zimbabwe from the next match. Still time for him to end up in the Zimbabwe ATG XI.
Starfighter
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It's your definition that seems to be the odd one out though.
TheJediBrah
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I don't see how. The alternative makes absolutely no sense. How can it be wasted talent when the talent evidently isn't there in the first place.
Starfighter
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No sure if this is you being obtuse (or just plain thick).
When a batsman plunders huge amounts of runs domestically, facing many of the world's best bowlers when doing so, many people will reasonably conclude that they have plenty of talent. When they fail to transfer that to tests people will reasonably conclude it is something other than "talent" that is the issue.
By the definition you are using talent = test batting average and therefore it's impossible to be a wasted talent.
TheJediBrah
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No, some people excel at a certain level and don't at another. There are numerous first-class bullies that couldn't translate it to Tests, even if they were as good or better at first-class level than accomplished Test stars. Facing first-class attacks with 1 or 2 high standard bowlers isn't the same as a Test-class bowling attack. It's not "reasonable to conclude" that it's something other than talent. It's looking too hard for an excuse when the answer is a lot simpler. They just weren't as good as people thought.
In the case of Ramprakash especially it's incredible how long it took England to figure that out
honestbharani
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just himself, tbf.
