That's not the point, it's just that basic doomposting is bad because it requires zero thought to say. I'd rather read something substantial than the same old crying.
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Indian Cricket Dhaba
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sure mummy. hand me your dupatta.
welcome back from coma.
Socerer 01
International Captain
@Xix2565 check this doomposter out with the brain of a single celled bacteria
lol.. helpless pup calling his tribe for help.
Socerer 01
International Captain
why would anyone need help in dealing with a sad little weasel like you
I've given up on him, no point in engaging with a brick wall.
ok tough guy.. you win... don't go complaining to your grandma.
ya I'm sorry to disappoint you. please continue circle jerking with rest of your ilk.
Arachnodouche
International Captain
But ICC knockouts are literally the only games that matter in white ball cricket, especially these last 15 years. ODIs are a much reduced currency compared to the 90s and before when every game seemed relevant. If a certain combination has failed repeatedly at big events and more importantly has patently not kept up with the rhythms of the global game, then yes they do deserve to be ****ed off.
ankitj
Hall of Fame Member
In this one, Jarrod Kimber hints at picking bits and pieces players as the reason why India fails (apart from other things). We don't play a solid #7 (it's Axar or Ashwin) so the top order doesn't go on attack mode. I don't know if there is causation strictly but not playing 7 proper batsmen to accommodate 6th bowling option is definitely a problem.
Overreacting over small sample sizes is not the brilliant plan you seem to think it is. It's one thing to say the Indian team should embrace new strategies and pick/back players based on that if certain bad patterns are repeating, it's another to say the general performance across bilaterals outside of WCs is useless data for people to judge players. And there really was no need to defend a post that just wanted to cry about losing without really giving much thought beyond the surface.
Sunil1z
International Regular
Small sample size ??
2014 WT20, 2016 WT20, 2017 ICC CT , 2019 WC , 2021 WT20, 2022 WT20
6 successive failures are small sample size.
Yes, because for the most part this is based off losing knockout matches rather anything deeper like what Jarrod is exploring in his little series on YT. At least he's trying to understand why unlike most posts here.
Sunil1z
International Regular
And please check the performance of our top order in these matches . Repeated failures
Socerer 01
International Captain
since 2016 Ashwin has played 1 odi and 3 t20 as a number 7 batsman
Patel has 12 odis and 23 t20s in the same time period. many of it is because Jadeja was missing or we were playing a reserve team. Patel also averages 33 with a sr of 124 in odis in that time. in t20s it is 19 and 164. Santner, Hasaranga, Wasim, Curran, Agar, Holder, Perera, Pretorius, Brathwaite, Phehlukwayo, Nawaz, Ali, Parnell all have worse records than him in the same position in t20s before you call Patel’s record bad
every team fearlessly plays a bowling all-rounder at 7 because they know the importance of 6 bowlers but India is this one team that has a paranoid stigma to not do that and instead fans want to play 90s cricket with a lot of part timers to roll their arms over and 7 batsmen because the other batsmen can’t do their job reliably in pressure situations and the other bowlers are the worst tailenders among all countries
Socerer 01
International Captain
i don’t think we failed in 2022, they did as well as you would expect them to with that poor team. 2014 also feels harsh when they did make finals, can make a case for 2019 also being bad luck due to the reserve day
Again, surface level nitpicking based on lol sample size. I don't think you get it, I'm all for changes and improvement to the point of potentially not having any of Rohit/Shikhar/Virat not starting or even in the side for the ODI WC and the T20 WC, but you've not said anything constructive about what are the deeper issues and how they can be worked on.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
I think our issues started when Raina fell away and Rohit and Virat stopped bowling. Until then the MSD philosophy of at least 4 of the 7 batsmen being able to bowl decently plus a keeper and two of the bowlers being able to tonk well served us well.
Sehwag, Yuvraj, Raina, Sachin/Sourav, MSD himself, Harbhajan, Zak were all good coz they enabled the side to play with that setup.
When Rohit came in, I remember him and Raina used to bowl a LOT for us in ODIs. Virat was utilized a lot by MSD too.
Sehwag, Yuvraj, Raina, Sachin/Sourav, MSD himself, Harbhajan, Zak were all good coz they enabled the side to play with that setup.
When Rohit came in, I remember him and Raina used to bowl a LOT for us in ODIs. Virat was utilized a lot by MSD too.