Devils advocate to an extent, seeing as I do rate this, but haven't you just described Ashwin? Ashwin probably had better bowlers to compete with too.
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Would Ponting make an Aussie all-time XI?
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subshakerz
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Ashwin had a lot more opportunities to prove himself outside SC than Lillee did outside Aus/Eng.
Burgey
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Chappell, Waugh or Miller (depending on whose team we're talking about). Ponting is every bit as good a player as Chappell, who missed a lot of tours. And he's easily a better batsman than Waugh as well.
Aus doesn't need an all rounder batting six. We've never needed an all rounder batting six. Every time we've played an all rounder in the top six post-Miller we've weakened the side, not strengthened it. The only time it should be entertained is when we have to tour the SC and they prep wickets where finger spinners actually count. Otherwise it's just not needed.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
I would wanna fit in Walters there somewhere. How about
Don
Walters
Border
Miller
Gilly
Could actually let you play two spinners when needed.
Burgey
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Yeah that could work too. Nice to see Doug get a mention. One of the great entertainers.
subshakerz
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Aus doesn't need Bradman either. They could still be superior to every side with regular ATGs. The point is making the strongest possible side. So, what makes the side stronger, a better no.6 batsman or a worldclass third seamer plus someone who can hold no.6 position?
Having five quality bowling options is much more important.
Prince EWS
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I think Miller makes a lot of sense given Bradman and Gilchrist exist. Harder call for a 'normal' team that also had Warne I think.
TheJediBrah
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Miller would be a good choice but you need to guarantee he will take it seriously, maybe stick a messerschmitt up his arse
Coronis
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Especially if Bradman is captaining, they already kinda hate each other, doubt he could motivate him much.
The Sean
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Yeah, I think that's just it - with Bradman and Gilly there, the balance that Miller then brings to the team is unparalleled. It means you can play four champion quicks and Warne (or O'Reilly/Grimmet if you prefer), or if circumstances dictated it you could choose to play two ATG spinners and still have a brilliant three-man pace attack.
The Sean in "advocates for Keith Miller" shock. More at 11.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Or you could just open with Watson and Katich and cover all bases.
Lillian Thomson
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I’ve sort of come around to the idea of Ponting ahead of Chappell. In Lady White Adder tradition I stick a fork in my leg while thinking it to compensate. 
Burgey
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That’s why you need TOTAB to captain. He’ll make everyone take it very seriously indeed
Prince EWS
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Yeah Border should definitely be captain imo.
Adorable Asshole
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I think with ATG players, where they bat is less relevant.
I wouldn't move Bradman from 3 but I don't agree that Waugh or Border are better at 6 than Ponting just because they batted there more.
Both Border and Waugh were exceptional players but if Ponting had batted at 5 or 6 for his entire career then he'd have better stats than either.
I'd have Ponting at 6.
Coronis
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Oh thats just sad
Sunil1z
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AB Devilliers
The truth is that for all countries, there is no ATG XI, that would play in all conditions.
There's probably a core of 7 or 8 players that would be chosen but then there's 3 or 4 that would be conditions dependent.
On the SC you'd need 2 spinners and you could bat Gilchrist at 6 and pick Benaud or Grimmett. But would you want an off spinner rather than 2 leggies.
Would Border have a stronger case as he can bowl a bit of spin.
Also the ATG side would presumably be playing another ATG side so would 4 bowlers be enough - probably not.
It's a bit like saying who is the ATG male tennis player - well it depends where its being played.
On clay it's obviously Nadal but on grass or hardcourt, he clearly isn't.
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There's probably a core of 7 or 8 players that would be chosen but then there's 3 or 4 that would be conditions dependent.
On the SC you'd need 2 spinners and you could bat Gilchrist at 6 and pick Benaud or Grimmett. But would you want an off spinner rather than 2 leggies.
Would Border have a stronger case as he can bowl a bit of spin.
Also the ATG side would presumably be playing another ATG side so would 4 bowlers be enough - probably not.
It's a bit like saying who is the ATG male tennis player - well it depends where its being played.
On clay it's obviously Nadal but on grass or hardcourt, he clearly isn't.
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