Fuller Pilch
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Especially the latter.Reading many CW posts I see Kallis and Jadeja as overrated.
Especially the latter.Reading many CW posts I see Kallis and Jadeja as overrated.
Most CW posts about Kallis are about how **** they think he is.Reading many CW posts I see Kallis and Jadeja as overrated.
You clearly haven’t actually read all the Kallis threads.Reading many CW posts I see Kallis and Jadeja as overrated.
There is literally no reason to rate Barrington over Dravid other than a prettier average (over half the games, and half the duration). If anything, Dravid played better bowlers and still was more impressive in his first 9-10 years. And then he continued to be great.You clearly haven’t actually read all the Kallis threads.
Also if anyone’s overrated out of Barrington and Dravid, its Dravid.
Oh and KP sucks. As a person and a player.
Barrington played in a more bowling friendly era while Dravid's peak coincided with second most batting friendly decade.There is literally no reason to rate Barrington over Dravid other than a prettier average (over half the games, and half the duration). If anything, Dravid played better bowlers and still was more impressive in his first 9-10 years. And then he continued to be great.
No he didn't. The '60s were a notoriously slow, draw heavy era with an absence of great bowlers. The decade almost killed test cricket. Australia's attack was led by McKenzie, West Indies by Hall and there were scarcely any great bowlers. Gibbs would be the closest. The late 90s still had great bowling depth and Dravid regularly played against McWarne, Gillespie Akhtar, Pollock, etc all of whom were better than just about anyone Barrington faced.Barrington played in a more bowling friendly era while Dravid's peak coincided with second most batting friendly decade.
1960s, the golden era for bowling......NOTBarrington played in a more bowling friendly era while Dravid's peak coincided with second most batting friendly decade.
Than Sachin?Gavaskar for me is the best because he played in a far arder era plus was an opener.
It's extremely close between them but imo Gavaskar was better because he faced better bowlers, played in a more challenging position(batting at no. 4 is easy) plus he performed better in tougher situations. Which imo exceeds Tendulkar longevity and consistency.Than Sachin?
Agree about #1 vs #4, but the statement about better bowlers is just wrong.It's extremely close between them but imo Gavaskar was better because he faced better bowlers, played in a more challenging position(batting at no. 4 is easy) plus he performed better in tougher situations. Which imo exceeds Tendulkar longevity and consistency.
Tendulkar never played a knock like this
Hadlee, Lillee, Imran, Marshall, Holding, Garner > Mcgrath, Wasim, Waqar, Ambrose, DonaldAgree about #1 vs #4, but the statement about better bowlers is just wrong.
I dunno about that.It's extremely close between them but imo Gavaskar was better because he faced better bowlers, played in a more challenging position(batting at no. 4 is easy) plus he performed better in tougher situations. Which imo exceeds Tendulkar longevity and consistency.
Tendulkar never played a knock like this
Yeah but Tendulkar faced Bishop, Pollock, Walsh, Bond and Shoaib and then Warne, Saqlain and Murali.Hadlee, Lillee, Imran, Marshall, Holding, Garner > Mcgrath, Wasim, Waqar, Ambrose, Donald
Plus Akram says Gavaskar is among the toughest h s bowled to while he doesn't rate Sachin because he never bowled to him in his prime.
So one bowler says one guy who was a seasoned pro was harder to bowl to than another guy who was a literal child when he bowled to him a few times and that is relevant to this discussion because?Hadlee, Lillee, Imran, Marshall, Holding, Garner > Mcgrath, Wasim, Waqar, Ambrose, Donald
Plus Akram says Gavaskar is among the toughest h s bowled to while he doesn't rate Sachin because he never bowled to him in his prime.
Which world class bowlers are? Mcgrath, Akram, Ambrose are extremely overrated. And Akram rates Gavaskar higher than Sachin.I dunno about that.
Tendulkar certainly faced more worldclass bowlers than Gavaskar, and much better spinners. Gavaskar had it harder opening.
And the Chennai 136 would be up there with Gavaskar's last knock.
And Gavaskar faced Roberts, Croft, Willis, Thommo, Akram, BothamYeah but Tendulkar faced Bishop, Pollock, Walsh, Bond and Shoaib and then Warne, Saqlain and Murali.
I never said Gavaskar is clearly better thn Tendulkar even i have doubts. But the asserstion that Sachin faced far better bowlers is really absurd when WI pace battery of 70s and 80s are recognized as the best bowling attack of all time.So one bowler says one guy who was a seasoned pro was harder to bowl to than another guy who was a literal child when he bowled to him a few times and that is relevant to this discussion because?
Sachin faced far better bowlers on the whole, and even your ranking can be debated.
What I’m saying is it’s by no means a clear cut argument, and certainly not in favour of Gavaskar.
Extremely? And all of them? Whom do you rate then?Mcgrath, Akram, Ambrose are extremely overrated.
Gavaskar barely faced the prime WI pace attack at it’s peak though, his best series against them were in the absence of them…Which world class bowlers are? Mcgrath, Akram, Ambrose are extremely overrated. And Akram rates Gavaskar higher than Sachin.
Spinners aren't real bowlers.
And no the 136 while good isn't close to 96
And Gavaskar faced Roberts, Croft, Willis, Thommo, Akram, Botham
I never said Gavaskar is clearly better thn Tendulkar even i have doubts. But the asserstion that Sachin faced far better bowlers is really absurd when WI pace battery of 70s and 80s are recognized as the best bowling attack of all time.
The mighty Venkatesh PrasadExtremely? And all of them? Whom do you rate then?
Wasim listed Tendulkar as the fifth best batsman he bowled to. Gavaskar didn’t make the top 5.And Akram rates Gavaskar higher than Sachin.
Extremely was an exaggeration but Hadlee, Khan, Marshall were betterExtremely? And all of them? Whom do you rate then?
And Sachin never faced the Ws in their peak and even when he faced them he didn't score much. Neither did he score much against Mcgrath and Donald.Gavaskar barely faced the prime WI pace attack at it’s peak though, his best series against them were in the absence of them…
McGrath overrated.. Warne and Murali aren’t real bowl… alright that’s enough internet for today
Wasim listed Tendulkar as the fifth best batsman he bowled to. Gavaskar didn’t make the top 5.