weeman27bob
International Vice-Captain
Swann in the first over of the spell, Jadeja after that.
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Ravindra Jadeja vs Graeme Swann
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sunilz
International Regular
Swann average in Ind : 29
But he would have averaged same as Jadeja if he would have been an Indian player.
Funny why this logic wasn't applicable in Kapil vs Harris argument when Kapil averaged 24 in Aus which is better than Harris and Kapil also has more 5 wkt haul in Aus (5) in 11 tests than Harris has (2) in 13 tests.
subshakerz
International Coach
Swann debuted in India, you can count that if you want to but I don't, and then was excellent in 2012
CricAddict
Cricketer Of The Year
Ha ha. Stat manipulation and nitpicking at its best.
sunilz
International Regular
He debuted in India at the age of 29 which means his peak years . He hardly debuted
at the age of Sachin or Waqar that his debut series shouldn't count .
In 2012 , he was the 3rd best bowler of that series after Panesar and Anderson. In the 1st test of that series , he played alone(Panesar didn't play 1st test )and averaged 42 . It was from 2nd test onwards he was effective because Panesar and Anderson destroyed Indian batting and Swann also joined the party. I don't think you watched that series?
_00_deathscar
International Regular
Swann also basically had a 5 year career or something - played his entire cricket in his so called peak years, no formative years etc.
_00_deathscar
International Regular
Discounting the series Jadeja was crap in, he averages like 12.
Daemon
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I think it's a bit disingenuous to say Swann didn't do well in India. He was instrumental in the 2012 win.
It's also not fair to not concede that on the whole, Jadeja has benefited from much friendlier wickets for spin.
You can cede both these points and still argue that Jadeja > Swann.
It's also not fair to not concede that on the whole, Jadeja has benefited from much friendlier wickets for spin.
You can cede both these points and still argue that Jadeja > Swann.
subshakerz
International Coach
Exactly. The problem with some of these fanboyz posters is they are so committed to defending their local favorites that they don't want to concede blatantly obvious points.
HeathDavisSpeed
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Indeed. And they never seem to see the obvious fact that Peter Such was better than either.
subshakerz
International Coach
I watched it and it is crazy to think that Swann with the most wickets didn't have a key role in that victory. If you aren't prepared to concede the most obvious facts there isn't any point in engaging with you. Enjoy your Jadeja love
subshakerz
International Coach
Jadeja is a complete demon at home while Swann is a more proven matchwinner across conditions.
The above is a fact and frankly the entire basis for the debate over who is the best spinner. If you can't accept that you are just not being honest.
The above is a fact and frankly the entire basis for the debate over who is the best spinner. If you can't accept that you are just not being honest.
sunilz
International Regular
They need to learn from you.
When comparing Harris vs Kapil , don't bring superior bowling support to Harris and pacer friendly bowling conditions in Australia.
And while arguing Jadeja vs Swann those points become valid despite Swann's much inferior record in India vs Jadeja.
subshakerz
International Coach
I don't think giving a pass to someone not wrecking it in their first international series in the most difficult country to tour is stats manipulation. Pretty standard opinion on CW.
sunilz
International Regular
Proven match winner across conditions by having worse average than Jadeja in NZ, AUS and SA ?
Spark
Global Moderator
God ****ing almighty do I hate these kinds of posts.
Spark
Global Moderator
I think I'm going to call it the Ikki:
1. Make highly subjective, highly contestable claim about something which is difficult to judge
2. Call claim a "fact" or "obvious" or something else
3. Say that anyone who disagrees with this claim is being dishonest or gaslighting etc
So aggravating.
1. Make highly subjective, highly contestable claim about something which is difficult to judge
2. Call claim a "fact" or "obvious" or something else
3. Say that anyone who disagrees with this claim is being dishonest or gaslighting etc
So aggravating.
subshakerz
International Coach
I didn't bring bowling support up in either case.
Australia 2010 - 2015 is not in the same zone of being pace friendly as India 2015 onwards was to spin. You know this, of course, but are running out of good arguments.
sunilz
International Regular
Yes I will enjoy my Jadeja love.
He wasn't joke as Akram, Waqar and Saqlain to lose 3 home test series in 3 years against SA , Pak and Zim in 97, 98 and 99.