Vernon Philander vs Jason Gillespie

[StephenZA]

@TheJediBrah you obviously don’t know much about Philanders selection history.

 

[TheJediBrah]

@TheJediBrah you obviously don’t know much about Philanders selection history.

What gave it away

I saw him bowl, that was enough to make certain conclusions

 

[cnerd123]

I always rated Gillespie. Felt like more of an all-conditions bowler to me. Did well on the flat decks of the 00s.

 

[honestbharani]

Tough one. I suppose Philander had the better career but I felt Gillespie bowled some unplayable spells. He probably had a more pronounced decline than Philander who probably started and ended in test career almost at the same time as he peaked and started to go down as a bowler.

**** it, I remember more of Gillespie's unplayable deliveries, so going with him.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Gillespie had the worst decline I've ever seen

Rocked up to the 2005 Ashes tour suddenly a C-grade club level bowler

 

[Burgey]

Big Vern ! , if there is any movement on that pitch you're in big trouble.

And if there isn't, he is.

 

[Burgey]

Gillespie will always be remembered for his bowling in BG trophy 2004/05

Genuinely very few people in Australia remember him for that at all tbh.

 

[_00_deathscar]

And if there isn't, he is.

Well no cos if there isn’t, he isn’t (even there).

 

[Burgey]

Philander winning this poll pretty handily.

 

[h_hurricane]

Daemon is right. In all seriousness Philander was an incredible bowler in certain conditions, and he played in those conditions a lot.

Comparing him to Jadeja or Axar Patel is fair

or Murali

or Lillee

 

[Fuller Pilch]

During Philander's career (9 Nov 2011 - 27 Jan 2020) he had the best average of any bowler with 150 or more wickets (ahead of compatriots Steyn and Rabada).

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Gillespie vs Philander is a bit like Swann vs Jadeja

 

[subshakerz]

Daemon is right. In all seriousness Philander was an incredible bowler in certain conditions, and he played in those conditions a lot.

Comparing him to Jadeja or Axar Patel is fair

or Murali

Those conditions aren't exclusive to SA so Vern could still win matches in Australia and England.

 

[Xuhaib]

I still don't get how Dizzy just fell in a heap. Just 6 months back he's bowling some of his best stuff even out doing McGrath and then suddenly with no major injuries or surgery that I know off he turns in to a random Indian pacer from the 90's.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I still don't get how Dizzy just fell in a heap. Just 6 months back he's bowling some of his best stuff even out doing McGrath and then suddenly with no major injuries or surgery that I know off he turns in to a random Indian pacer from the 90's.

It can happen to fast bowlers, they get the yips and their rhythm just goes. Used to happen more often than it does these days.

Dizzy was back to bowling ok around 2006, but never back to his best

 

[GoodAreasShane]

It can happen to fast bowlers, they get the yips and their rhythm just goes. Used to happen more often than it does these days.

Dizzy was back to bowling ok around 2006, but never back to his best

Yeah he went back to being a reliable performer for South Australia for a couple of years after, down on pace for sure compared to his peak, but vastly better in every way to the bowler who looked a long way off as England won the 2005 Murray Mint Trophy

 

[TheJediBrah]

I remember watching him bowl in the ODIs preceding the 05 Ashes and he was so bad, I was just a kid but it was obvious even to me that he wasn't right and I thought for sure they can't play him in the Tests. Then they did. Sometimes selectors are real dumb

 

[Burgey]

Poms deserve a bit of credit for properly targeting him. Never let up on him from day one of that tour.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Gillespie vs Philander is a bit like Swann vs Jadeja

If Gillespie had a 4 year career, yea it would be

 

[_00_deathscar]

It can happen to fast bowlers, they get the yips and their rhythm just goes.

Yes I know the feeling - right @cnerd123?