Kapil Dev vs Ryan Harris

[Bolo.]

Which isn't a knock on him because Hadlee was ridiculous. But it does show that Pollock isn't underrated, especially among nerds, IMO.

It is 2 ppl. It doesn't mean much.

And it is more about underating Hadlee than anything to do with Pollock. You can put Pollock in the AR team if you want. Whether ot not Pollock is in, you have to have Hadlee. leaving him out of an AR team is silly.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yeah people almost exclusively chalk up Harris' short career to injury, but it's not really true. He was genuinely ****ing **** for an extended period before his debut. It's not like he was playing two games a season and making people wonder what he could do if he stayed fit - he was playing most of the season in club cricket bowling pies.

It was a bit of both. He played 27 Tests when he could have played 70-odd if he wasn't injured so much.

 

[Coronis]

It was a bit of both. He played 27 Tests when he could have played 70-odd if he wasn't injured so much.

Yeah he ended up playing exactly half the tests Australia had between his debut and retirement.

 

[social]

Yeah people almost exclusively chalk up Harris' short career to injury, but it's not really true. He was genuinely ****ing **** for an extended period before his debut. It's not like he was playing two games a season and making people wonder what he could do if he stayed fit - he was playing most of the season in club cricket bowling pies.

Yeah but that’s because his body didn’t allow him to bowl quick

Literally rolled up to preseason in his mid 20s and put on a heap of pace without changing a thing

Harris himself can’t explain it

Not like an Imran who decided that he was going to bowl quickly and changed a lot in an effort to do so

 

[TheJediBrah]

Literally rolled up to preseason in his mid 20s and put on a heap of pace without changing a thing

Harris himself can’t explain it

Sounds legit

 

[Everton Seymour]

I rate Harris as an excellent bowler , but the question was who was the better bowler In tests and Kapil Dev had a far better Test career so it has to be Dev in my opinion.
The greatest ability is availability.

 

[TheJediBrah]

The greatest ability is availability.

Definitely not true

 

[Everton Seymour]

Definitely not true

Depends on how you view this statement , my take on it is that serves as a reality check for the dreamers , the people who are obsessed with potential and the skills that are God given ...
Yeah you can have amazing Natural talent but if you can't chalk up the appearances , and make the hard work count you're not gonna be as reliable as the person who does and reliability is what gets things done in the world .

I've seen to many young men be satisfied with what they know rather than what they can prove .

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Depends on how you view this statement , my take on it is that serves as a reality check for the dreamers , the people who are obsessed with potential and the skills that are God given ...
Yeah you can have amazing Natural talent but if you can't chalk up the appearances , and make the hard work count you're not gonna be as reliable as the person who does and reliability is what gets things done in the world .

I've seen to many young men be satisfied with what they know rather than what they can prove .

By that logic Jimmy Anderson is the 2nd greatest test cricketer of all time.

 

[social]

Sounds legit

Rare but not unique

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[vicleggie]

400 wickets versus like 70?
Why is this even a question?

 

[vicleggie]

By that logic Jimmy Anderson is the 2nd greatest test cricketer of all time.

You're taking it too literally. Anderson is certainly proving something by taking the sheer amount of wickets he is, though

 

[Coronis]

Just realised McCullum played his entire test career without missing a match. Only 100+ test player to accomplish this.

 

[subshakerz]

I rate Harris as an excellent bowler , but the question was who was the better bowler In tests and Kapil Dev had a far better Test career so it has to be Dev in my opinion.
The greatest ability is availability.

Harris had a short career but he already proved himself to be worldclass level which Kapil never reached.

 

[Everton Seymour]

Kapil Dev's two best calender years in Test Cricket :

74 wickets @22.96 in 1979
75 wickets @23.19 in 1983

That is 149 wickets in 35 tests @ 23.07


Ryan Harris 113 Test wickets in 27 Tests @ 23.52

Forget about the injuries Kapil Dev suffered , that he had ability with the bat and that he couldn't always focus on bowling, captaincy responsibilities , a team culture that had to next to zero support for fast bowlers forget about all that ..

If a player can take your whole career tally of wickets in two calender years at a better average you have no business comparing yourself to that player.

 

[subshakerz]

Kapil Dev's two best calender years in Test Cricket :

74 wickets @22.96 in 1979
75 wickets @23.19 in 1983

That is 149 wickets in 35 tests @ 23.07


Ryan Harris 113 Test wickets in 27 Tests @ 23.52

Forget about the injuries Kapil Dev suffered , that he had ability with the bat and that he couldn't always focus on bowling, captaincy responsibilities , a team culture that had to next to zero support for fast bowlers forget about all that ..

If a player can take your whole career tally of wickets in two calender years at a better average you have no business comparing yourself to that player.

The problem with cherrypicking single years is that it is unrepresentative of Kapil the overall bowler. Even Brett Lee had his own brief worldclass stint but that wasn't him overall, whereas Ryan Harris had a short career in which he was worldclass throughout.

Kapil had a peak phase of 52 tests in which he took 218 wickets @26. That was him at his best. Still below Harris level.

The real debate is whether a full career of good returns can overtake a short career of worldclass returns.

 

[_00_deathscar]

The problem with cherrypicking single years is that it is unrepresentative of Kapil the overall bowler. Even Brett Lee had his own brief worldclass stint but that wasn't him overall, whereas Ryan Harris had a short career in which he was worldclass throughout.

Kapil had a peak phase of 52 tests in which he took 218 wickets @26. That was him at his best. Still below Harris level.

The real debate is whether a full career of good returns can overtake a short career of worldclass returns.

Don't be ridiculous.

 

[TheJediBrah]

The problem with cherrypicking single years is that it is unrepresentative of Kapil the overall bowler. Even Brett Lee had his own brief worldclass stint but that wasn't him overall, whereas Ryan Harris had a short career in which he was worldclass throughout.

Kapil had a peak phase of 52 tests in which he took 218 wickets @26. That was him at his best. Still below Harris level.

The real debate is whether a full career of good returns can overtake a short career of worldclass returns.

Everton Seymour's point is well made and important to take into consideration, but subshakerz is right here. Not necessarily taking about this specific comparison, but in general you can't go around picking the best statistical stages of someone's career and comparing them like that and always get reasonable conclusions.

 

[ankitj]

Ryan Harris didn't feature in CW's pace bowler ranking:

CW's Top 40 Pace Bowlers: 2022 Results

Once again, thanks to all involved in the voting and comments on this thread. Here is the final 40 together with relevant figures such as bowling average, strike rate, economy rate and wickets per match. I included the last of these as it is an indication of how important a component of a team's...

www.cricketweb.net

 

[sunilz]

Ryan Harris didn't feature in CW's pace bowler ranking:

CW's Top 40 Pace Bowlers: 2022 Results

Once again, thanks to all involved in the voting and comments on this thread. Here is the final 40 together with relevant figures such as bowling average, strike rate, economy rate and wickets per match. I included the last of these as it is an indication of how important a component of a team's...

www.cricketweb.net

You simply can't rate guys like Bond or Harris who barely picked 100 wkts. People feel like being fit is no longer essential part of sportsmen.


Australia are lucky Harris didn't play in BG Trophy 18 or 20. Guy would have been injured in the middle of the test (MCG or SCG) making the life of their bowlers even difficult.