Sachin Tendulkar vs Garry Sobers

[Burgey]

Lara was staring down the barrel of losing the captaincy in the 99 series.

 

[subshakerz]

Lara was staring down the barrel of losing the captaincy in the 99 series.

That pressure was more acute in the previous test in which he scored 213. One reason why I rate that innings very highly, it should be in the top 15 or 20 of all time.

 

[h_hurricane]

I guess my point was that the innings are close. But one gets featured in the top five of all-time, the other doesn't make the top 100 most times.

Sachin only had Mongia who provided some support in that innings, while Lara had 3 batters who chipped in with useful 30s. I would still not claim that Sachin's inning was better or on par, just pointing out at the variables we always miss when we are so obsessed with stats and certain conditions without really looking at so many other factors that impact each game/innings.

Also, as mentioned by @subshakerz that "the innings are close. But one gets featured in the top five of all-time, the other doesn't make the top 100 most times. "

Overall, stats-crunching is good for the romance of it, but a lot of times it create a very unclear picture of things.

Yeah, it is unfair that Tendulkar's innings doesn't even figure in top 100 of all time. For me, it is a top 25 of all time kind of innings and arguably his best ever.

 

[smash84]

Yeah, it was an incredible innings. Wasim was bowling so well, hooping it around corners at will in some parts of the innings and Saqlain was making the ball spit and bite off the wicket. I dare say they were a more formidable bowling attack in those conditions than McGrath Gillespie McGill and Warne were in the WI.

Pakistan had Waqar as well.

 

[h_hurricane]

On a side note, Wasim Akram's delivery to end Rahul Dravid's innings was a thing of beauty. Just worth watching again and again. Genius bowling !

 

[smash84]

On a side note, Wasim Akram's delivery to end Rahul Dravid's innings was a thing of beauty. Just worth watching again and again. Genius bowling !

I really think this delivery should have been a contender for ball of the century.

 

[Coronis]

Yeah, it was an incredible innings. Wasim was bowling so well, hooping it around corners at will in some parts of the innings and Saqlain was making the ball spit and bite off the wicket. I dare say they were a more formidable bowling attack in those conditions than McGrath Gillespie McGill and Warne were in the WI.

Pakistan had Waqar as well.

Nah. McGrath was being McGrath, Gillespie and MacGill were literally in the form of their careers and yeah Warne was **** but so was Waqar.

 

[smash84]

Nah. McGrath was being McGrath, Gillespie and MacGill were literally in the form of their careers and yeah Warne was **** but so was Waqar.

That's why I said "in those conditions". The conditions were quite favourable to spin and reverse swing in Chennai at that point in the match, can't say that conditions were bouncy or extremely favourable for spin that would be ideal conditions for the Aus attack. I saw both those matches, and while I rate the Lara innings higher, Tendulkar's innings should be rated a lot higher than it usually is.

 

[subshakerz]

That's why I said "in those conditions". The conditions were quite favourable to spin and reverse swing in Chennai at that point in the match, can't say that conditions were bouncy or extremely favourable for spin that would be ideal conditions for the Bus attack. I saw both those matches, and while I rate the Lara innings higher, Tendulkar's innings should be rated a lot higher than it usually is.

Chennai was a low scoring game too. The pitch had broken up a bit by that point.

 

[honestbharani]

I think Tendulkar gets marked down unfairly for India's defeat against Pakistan. But he was dismissed that innings, which means it wasn't as he was stranded at one end. It was a great great innings though most would agree that Lara's 153* was a step higher.

On the other hand, there could be valid counter points that Sachin had a terrible back injury through that innings and Lara was fortunate to be dropped by Healy close to achieving the target.

Lara played that entire series with a chipped elbow injury though which can be far more limiting for a batsman

 

[h_hurricane]

Lara played that entire series with a chipped elbow injury though which can be far more limiting for a batsman

Have to admit that I wasn't aware of it. Though the reason was that Television was kept away from me. Parents took the safer approach with board exams approaching around that time. By the time, I had access to cricket again, Lara had already played his innings. One of my life's regrets that I wasn't able to watch two of the greatest innings of all time.

I still caught live radio commentary of Sachin's innings though. And this was 1999 not 1979 lol.

 

[honestbharani]

Have to admit that I wasn't aware of it. Though the reason was that Television was kept away from me. Parents took the safer approach with board exams approaching around that time. By the time, I had access to cricket again, Lara had already played his innings. One of my life's regrets that I wasn't able to watch two of the greatest innings of all time.

I still caught live radio commentary of Sachin's innings though. And this was 1999 not 1979 lol.

I let my 10th Physics exam go to **** and watched the Barbados knock and I was at the ground for the Sachin one. ??

 

[smash84]

Lara played that entire series with a chipped elbow injury though which can be far more limiting for a batsman

I didn't know this either

 

[Chrish]

Tendy has played far too many iconic innings that didn’t produce favorable result; 155 and 169 against SA come to mind. And one thing about Tendulkar is most of his knocks came in when series was still alive. He didn’t really play that many memorable dead rubber innings.

 

[subshakerz]

Tendy has played far too many iconic innings that didn’t produce favorable result; 155 and 169 against SA come to mind. And one thing about Tendulkar is most of his knocks came in when series was still alive. He didn’t really play that many memorable dead rubber innings.

His century as a teen in Perth was an ATG one in my mind.

His Chennai innings of 155 against Warne was a magnificent innings.

His innings of 116 in Melbourne in 2000 against a full strength Aussie side was another absolute top drawer innings.

 

[honestbharani]

Sachin's Perth knock and the 155 in 2001 in RSA were his best test knocks IMO. And the sydney knock in 2008. And the RSA 100 in 2010

 

[Chrish]

I haven’t seen any batsman who was as good as Tendulkar against both pace and spin equally in my lifetime..

He was a quintessential “all-condition” player..

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

I’ve always considered Viv, Hobbs and Tendulkar greater than Sobers, marginally tho. What Sobers has better than Tendulkar is his short term peaks(not saying Tendy doesn’t have good short term peaks), but in terms of long term peaks, because of number of matches Tendulkar has him beat. Also Tendulkar generally played a very good part of his career is more bowling friendly era, w.r.t quality of bowlers and pitches as well(although easy in batting in mid 2000s onwards and the occasional sticky wicket Sobers might have had to encounter makes this even). However, Tendulkar clearly has a better home and away record than Sobers as well(whose record in NZ and Pak leaves a lot to be desired).

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Bradman
Chappell
Kallis
Border*
Gilchrist+
Hadlee
Warne
Steyn
McGrath

Assuming something similar to this… SENA wins. Superior openers, Bradman, Gilchrist, roughly equal bowling attacks, too many factors in favour of SENA. (not even including Smith yet)

Gavaskar
Greendige
Viv
Sachin
Lara
Sobers
Sangakara +
Imran *
Marshall
Murali
Ambrose

SC+WI has much better Lower order, tail and allrounders.

 

[BazBall21]

Quite surprised by that result. Think Tendulkar is the second best batsman of all time.