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*Official* New Zealand in Australia 2022

Neil Young

State Vice-Captain
We’re such a defensive team, that’s in how we play and how the team is selected. We ain’t winning many games with Santner, Bracewell and Neesham expected to bowl through the middle overs.
Agree with this. Conservative selection, tactics and captain. Frustrating.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
Is there any aspect of cricket in which Stoinis is superior to Green?

Can't think of any
I mean I don't rate Stoinis but Green is a generational talent, not really a fair/worthwhile comparison
 

thierry henry

International Coach
We’re such a defensive team, that’s in how we play and how the team is selected. We ain’t winning many games with Santner, Bracewell and Neesham expected to bowl through the middle overs.
How do we go about getting Santner out then? Just pick worse spinners? Ajaz?
 

Moss

International Captain
How do we go about getting Santner out then? Just pick worse spinners? Ajaz?
Santner's fine. Didn't bowl that well today but still the leading white ball spinner. 10 overs of Neesham/Macewell is a problem though, I wouldn't have them both in the same XI (preferably Macewell out, but they're determined to pick him). Maybe worth trying Mitchell or Phillips in that role though I don't have high hopes. Need to find someone who can bowl to a similar standard as de Grandhomme and bat respectably.
 

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
I see the logic, but then who's your 6th bowler? Marnus or Smith? Also Maxwell is not always going to give you 10 overs (and completely change the game) with the ball.
Stoinis averages 45+ with the ball in ODI's at an econ of 6 while bowling about 5 overs a game. Fairly certain that Smith and/or marnus can contribute the same to the team in terms of bowling.
 

TheJediBrah

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Warner
Head
Smith
Green
Carey
Marsh
Maxwell
Cummins
Starc
Zampa
Hazlewood

If they really want a longer batting line-up (or Agar as second spinner in Asia) they can rotate the 3 fast bowlers around and play an extra bat (Marnus, Inglis, Wade)
 

Gob

International Coach
Warner
Head
Smith
Green
Carey
Marsh
Maxwell
Cummins
Starc
Zampa
Hazlewood

If they really want a longer batting line-up (or Agar as second spinner in Asia) they can rotate the 3 fast bowlers around and play an extra bat (Marnus, Inglis, Wade)
Looks good
 

Socerer 01

International Captain
Is there any aspect of cricket in which Stoinis is superior to Green?

Can't think of any
i’d say long levers but Green is massive himself. Stoinis was supposed to be a half decent death bowler once, does he even bowl that much these days?
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
I know we love a scape goat in New Zealand...but mention of Santner, that ain't it. He would've been much more effective if we'd bowled first, bowling under lights meant he was skiddier/didn't grip it as much. He performs a very vital role for us, as seen in the Windies (and he can bat). However, I couldn't get my head around why he bowled the 11th over a) when pace was doing the trick and it was nipping around b) to a LHer in Carey, who was able to deal with him very comfortably. But we've known for a long time now that Kane for all his glory, doesn't have a handle on captaining spinners.
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
I'd also like to point out that we've punched out 17 pages on a thread for a single ODI.

I reckon it's flat out irresponsible of people like Moeen Ali saying ODIs are boring, pandering to the dopamine fix short attention span generation, administrators ****-canning them for the easy candy floss sell of T20Is etc.

Yesterday I sat down for quite a few hours, not all of it, and watched people play proper cricket. Guys had to build an innings, there were ebbs and flows, tactics around who bowled when and for how long, when guys went hard with the bat and when they had to grind out singles/push the run rate at a certain level, and in the end there was a thrilling result that was never predictable. And actually one that people will remember in a few years' time. Contrast that to the boring, predictable, hit and giggle of a T20 and it's not even a contest.

I reckon it'll be to the significant detriment of the international game if they can't find a way to keep those sort of contests alive. We enter further into the commodified world of slap and clap over proper cricket at our peril, I reckon.
 

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