Sachin Tendulkar vs Garry Sobers

[subshakerz]

Sobers over Tendulkar and Donald over Wasim is some lmao nerdy CW contrarianism.

Donald over Wasim, definitely. But a lot of old-timers and not just statsmongers will go with Sobers too

 

[mr_mister]

mate....

It was sunilz bait but I feel bad now lol

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

@Line and Length opinion on this comparison should be interesting.

 

[ankitj]

This. Plus the weight of expectations on his shoulders , turns it slightly in favour of Sachin for me.

There are broken toenails to be added to this argument too

 

[Slifer]

I wouldn't go that far. I remember his series against Australia in 98 when he butchered Warne, and then the series in Australia when in 2007-8 when he was the star throughout the series. Ended up just under 500 runs. Even his series in SA in 2011 was exceptional. I would rate those ahead of Dravid's runathons in England in 2002 and Australia in 2004.

Having standout series is important but the 500 runs thing is a bit arbitrary.

It's not arbitrary. Each one of his competitors whether it be Viv, Lara, Sunil, Smith etc all have that one series or two where they just went nuts and piled on the runs. Saying scoring 500+ or scoring 3 + 100s is arbitrary imo is equivalent to saying: hey Lara never scored a 100 vs Wasim but he made 96 which is close enough and was more critical than the 100 Hooper scored against them in the 1997 series.

 

[Coronis]

Fun useless fact; Sobers scored as many centuries in one series against India as Tendulkar did in his entire career against the Windies.

 

[Chrish]

Viv > SRT > Sobers > Lara for me..

 

[Fuller Pilch]

The best since Bradman is obviously not Adam Voges, but is clearly the great Daryl Mitchell.

FIFY

 

[CricAddict]

Sachin>Sobers>Viv>Lara

In reality, not much difference between the 4. All four can genuinely find a place in the atg team, Sobers moreso due to his bowling.

 

[Chrish]

But one could argue, in the last 30 or so Tests of Tendulkar's career, he exploited his god like status to selfishly play on when he was past it and not worth his place in the team. In his last 23 Tests, Tendulkar made 1,229 runs @ 32.34 with 0 centuries. So he was essentially wasting a valuable batting spot which could have been filled by a younger talent who probably would have done better and possibly developed his career more quickly. If we look at the actual reasons why Tendulkar played 200 Tests, its hardly worthy of praise.

Unfortunate but true. Same applies to Ponting and Viv too.

I think Tendulkar kept dragging because Kallis was close to his most test century record. So, I reckon he kept on playing until he realized he won’t score any more hundreds.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Unfortunate but true. Same applies to Ponting and Viv too.

I think Tendulkar kept dragging because Kallis was close to his most test century record. So, I reckon he didn’t want to let Kallis suppress his milestone and kept on playing until he realized he won’t score any more hundreds.

Couldn't be more wrong

Ponting playing on was for the benefit of the team, and at his personal detriment. There weren't better players available. I thought this was really common knowledge.

Don't know about Viv's latter career but there's a good chance you're wrong about that too

 

[Chrish]

Ponting playing on was for the benefit of the team, and at his personal detriment. There weren't better players available.

That’s what they all say..

 

[CricAddict]

SC+WI vs SENA, which team wins? The Bradman factor does sway it to SENA but can the overall strength of other team make up for that factor too?

 

[Coronis]

SC+WI vs SENA, which team wins? The Bradman factor does sway it to SENA but can the overall strength of other team make up for that factor too?

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Bradman
Chappell
Kallis
Border*
Gilchrist+
Hadlee
Warne
Steyn
McGrath

Assuming something similar to this… SENA wins. Superior openers, Bradman, Gilchrist, roughly equal bowling attacks, too many factors in favour of SENA. (not even including Smith yet)

 

[ataraxia]

1. Gavaskar 2. Greenidge / Sehwag / Headley 3. Viv 4. Tendulkar 5. Lara 6. Sobers 7. Walcott / Dhoni + 8. Imran 9. Marshall 10. Ambrose 11. Muralitharan

1. Hobbs 2. Hutton / Sutcliffe 3. Bradman 4. Kallis 5. Hammond 6. Border / someone, whoever 7. Gilchrist 8. Hadlee 9. Warne 10. Steyn 11. McGrath

 

[ZK$]

J.Hobbs
L.Hutton
D.Bradman
W.Hammond
S.Smith
J.Kallis
A.Gilchrist
R.Hadlee
S.Warne
D.Steyn
G.McGrath

S.Gavaskar
G.Headley
V.Richards
S.Tendulkar
B.Lara
G.Sobers
R.Pant
I.Khan
M.Marshall
C.Ambrose
M.Muralitharan

 

[CricAddict]

Wow, Dhoni and Pant being up in the best ever team is surprising. Sanga should get in over them.

Super strong teams. This would be an exciting match-up. While SENA have superior openers and keeper, the bowling is balanced on both sides. While Bradman mans the middle order, SC+WI has 4 batsmen superior to the 4-6 of SENA which balances it out a little bit.

 

[Arachnodouche]

Sachin never having that 3 ton or 500 run series... Was a good(well, great I guess) support player rather than a leading man. Never stole the show

Steve Buscemi to Sobers' Tom Cruise

^Nice troll but I don't think that's quite the argument in Sobers' favor you think it is. I mean, do ppl really prefer Cruise over Buscemi?

 

[Coronis]

Damn I forgot about Hammond somehow. Yeah definitely SENA for me. Bradman, Gilchrist, better openers, 3 of my top 4 pacers, Warne ~ Murali.

 

[mr_mister]

^Nice troll but I don't think that's quite the argument in Sobers' favor you think it is. I mean, do ppl really prefer Cruise over Buscemi?

Cruise is obviously a nutter IRL but he really has starred in tons of amazing movies. A bit like Russell Crowe, you can forget how impressive his resume actually is sometimes

Buscemi was a really interesting dude in the 90s, his presence definitely improved the stuff he was in, eg Fargo, Big Lebowski, Con Air. He killed it with those small quirky support roles.

But with the massive screentime heavy roles he got in the 2000s (Sopranos, Boardwalk Empire) I found him a bit lacking. Couldn't step up to the big leagues imo