*Unofficial* New Zealand Black Caps Thread

[Nintendo]

And they're pretty good players. They are probably no-name in NZ, though.

Are you talking about the england guys signed over Neesh? From memory all the guys picked there bar luke wood and whittley are actually good players and either have BBL runs to there names or are in fantastic form. Wood and whitley were also bronze picks from memory, Neeshaw took up a more valuable spot. Dre-russ was ignored on similiar grounds.

 

[Moss]

I’m getting very 2007-08 vibes from all this - retirements, clashes with T20 leagues, apparent lack of communication between players and NZC.

 

[Howsie]

That’s what happens when you piss your workforce off…

 

[thundaboult]

That’s what happens when you piss your workforce off…

how have nzc pissed their workforce off? any juicy behind the scenes stories?

 

[thierry henry]

Isn't CDG a terrible T20 player anyway? Or is it one of those advanced T20 metrics I don't understand things, where average 24 strike rate 158 is actually super useful as long as he is picked to play the right role? Basically not a bowling option either, appalling record.

 

[Prince EWS]

Isn't CDG a terrible T20 player anyway? Or is it one of those advanced T20 metrics I don't understand things, where average 24 strike rate 158 is actually super useful as long as he is picked to play the right role?

Oh yeah it definitely is. That's actually quite a good record for someone who doesn't bat in the top order. His international record in the format is crap and he didn't have a great time of it in the IPL either but I think he'll be really useful coming in towards the end of an innings and slapping dingers at BBL level - it's hard to find players who are actually good at that.

Terrible bowler though.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

CDG has better T20 stats than Ben Stokes who went for crazy money in the IPL a couple of years ago.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

I guess as the resident South Australian here I ought to comment. Bit of an odd choice but the logic very much seems to be very much about looking for someone who can go big late on. CDG fits the bill pretty well there, even if he is somewhat hit and miss if he wins a couple of games off his own bat then the Strikers coaching/list management staff would be pretty happy with that. Fully agree his bowling is unlikely to be of much value if at all



Also, the mullet is overrated. Bring back the pornstache he was running with on test dayboo imo

 

[SteveNZ]

Complications aside, those Strikers selectors have to be living in 2017-18, or have rocks in their heads to think CDG is more valuable a T20 allrounder than Neesham. Unless it was due to budget restraints and Neesham was more expensive, seems a bizarre choice.

Colin has never been a T20 player. He's actually not really a 50-over player, either. His best format has always been, and still is four-dayers or Tests and his numbers bare that out. He is at his best with conventional fields. In out fields, he struggles with. He's not a placer of the ball. If something is short, he'll go for it. If it's full, he'll go for it. In Tests, generally that's rewarded. Not so much in other formats. I've always said he should've been a T20 opener, and he did pretty well for Auckland there initially.

 

[Moss]

Colin has never been a T20 player. He's actually not really a 50-over player, either. His best format has always been, and still is four-dayers or Tests and his numbers bare that out. He is at his best with conventional fields. In out fields, he struggles with. He's not a placer of the ball. If something is short, he'll go for it. If it's full, he'll go for it. In Tests, generally that's rewarded. Not so much in other formats. I've always said he should've been a T20 opener, and he did pretty well for Auckland there initially.

Correct, and this is true of his bowling as well. Even in that 2018 series against Pakistan in the UAE where he was a walking wicket against Yasir and co. his contributions with the ball were pretty important. Acquitted himself decently enough on that disastrous Aus tour as well.

He tends to get stereotyped as a bits and pieces player by non NZ observers, they tend not to rate him. Can recall a friend here in India who was doing a preview of the 2019 WC final and still insisted that picking Sodhi over CdG was the only way NZ were going to contain the mighty English batting.

 

[SteveNZ]

Maybe he got word he wasn't in the plans for the Pakistan tour? I'm not really sure what to make of it really. He could play the 4 rounds of Plunket Shield in October and then go over and play in the BBL, playing all of the available domestic first-class cricket should be enough to be considered for the February England tests, but it's a bit strange.

I'm the same. I don't know anything about the BBL, but I'm pretty sure you'd have to register your interest or at least give some sort of indication you might be available to be drafted. I don't know, but I think Colin has been pretty cheeky, as I originally said. You sign an NZC contract that gives you piece of mind and financial stability - especially at 36 years old - I think you need to value that. Or, if you back yourself to earn domestic league contracts, do what Jimmy did and don't take an international one.

I'm a little bit bemused overall with what's happening, right now. Heath Mills said today "We’re pretty strong in that a contract needs to be honoured; it’s a two-way street.

”If a player signs a contract, they need to see that through to the end. Our contracts are only one year in length, they’re annual contracts. If we expect New Zealand Cricket and the major associations to honour the contracts then obviously players need to do the same.

Which is quite right. But Trent Boult didn't do that. And now he's talking about how he hopes his Test career isn't over, that he can play in the World Cup(s) etc. To me, it's pretty cut and dry. If you sign an NZC contract, you honour it and you are available for all international and domestic competitions. If you want to 'retire' from a certain format, fine. But your contract reflects that - no matter who you are, your weighting goes down because you are worth less. And you can't pick and choose. If you flat out refuse a contract, then you are not available to be picked. For anything. Because now, Trent will decide what he can play around IPLs, UAE, BBL etc and I just don't like that a bit. He won't play domestic cricket and help to strength those competitions. Why should he be considered for the England Test series but not be willing to go to Pakistan?

I love Trent but when you're being mostly self-serving as an international cricketer, I reckon you're done.

 

[Bahnz]

Find myself agreeing with almost everything you said Steve. Problem for the NZC, is that Boult isn't far off deserving his #1 ODI bowler ranking, and with the world cup a year away, it'd be nigh on impossible for them to say, "Sorry Trent, you play for us or you take the T20 dosh but you can't have it both ways." The guy's also definitely the 2nd biggest star from an NZ fan point of view, so the NZC would want him playing in the team for the sake of public interest. Just a real tough one.

 

[_Ed_]

https://www.nzc.nz/news-items/de-grandhomme-calls-time-on-international-career

 

[Fuller Pilch]

https://www.nzc.nz/news-items/de-grandhomme-calls-time-on-international-career

Wow! Deserves its own thread.

 

[Howsie]

Another one bites the dust. Will be more to come

 

[SteveNZ]

Another one bites the dust. Will be more to come

This is silly now, if you're still clinging on that equity rubbish. He was happy to sign a contract a couple of months ago, after such time as you said the equal match fee deal would cause men to walk away from NZ Cricket.

The highest NZC contract is $523,000, and the 20th is $367,000. You've got to be absolutely kidding if you think the key motivator for Trent Boult, Colin de Grandhomme to walk away from representing their country on that sort of money is because they're getting the same match fee as the women. Please.

Colin has walked away today because he's seen the writing on the wall for his NZ career, and he can see a better freedom in being a free agent, hung on the fact the Big Bash are happy to throw better money at him than he'd achieve by keeping that contract. Good luck to him, he's looking after himself and his family, but I'm entitled to think it stinks a bit given he committed himself to NZC a short time ago, as did Trent.

 

[vandem]

Does that now mean two spare international contract spots? Neesham and Allen? Or keep them vacant until next season?

 

[Flem274*]

This is silly now, if you're still clinging on that equity rubbish. He was happy to sign a contract a couple of months ago, after such time as you said the equal match fee deal would cause men to walk away from NZ Cricket.

The highest NZC contract is $523,000, and the 20th is $367,000. You've got to be absolutely kidding if you think the key motivator for Trent Boult, Colin de Grandhomme to walk away from representing their country on that sort of money is because they're getting the same match fee as the women. Please.

Colin has walked away today because he's seen the writing on the wall for his NZ career, and he can see a better freedom in being a free agent, hung on the fact the Big Bash are happy to throw better money at him than he'd achieve by keeping that contract. Good luck to him, he's looking after himself and his family, but I'm entitled to think it stinks a bit given he committed himself to NZC a short time ago, as did Trent.

howsies having a lend i reckon.

man, people who are good at sport have it sweet. i wish i could earn 367k in a year.

 

[Zinzan]

Find myself agreeing with almost everything you said Steve. Problem for the NZC, is that Boult isn't far off deserving his #1 ODI bowler ranking, and with the world cup a year away, it'd be nigh on impossible for them to say, "Sorry Trent, you play for us or you take the T20 dosh but you can't have it both ways." The guy's also definitely the 2nd biggest star from an NZ fan point of view, so the NZC would want him playing in the team for the sake of public interest. Just a real tough one.

I don't think it's a tough one at all. Basically those contracted/ applying their trade in NZ players should get preferential treatment with selection, which should go a long way to stopping others following Boult's lead assuming they still want to play internationals, but...... there's always exceptions to the rule and clearly Boult is one of those exceptions, and he gets picked if available. Meanwhile, if a fridge player like Duffy or Tickner tried it, they'd be told good bye & good luck.

 

[Flem274*]

I don't think it's a tough one at all. Basically those contracted/ applying their trade in NZ players should get preferential treatment with selection, which should go a long way to stopping others following Boult's lead assuming they still want to play internationals, but...... there's always exceptions to the rule and clearly Boult is one of those exceptions, and he gets picked if available. Meanwhile, if a fridge player like Duffy or Tickner tried it, they'd be told good luck & good bye.

agreed, my only caveat being a trent boult not playing international cricket might not deserve to walk into a world cup squad on quality anymore. those franchise comps (all of them, every single one) are trash, and the best way to keep a player at their best is with high quality cricket.

he's not going to get that bullying suresh raina with 130kph bouncers like he did earlier this year.