Ashwin vs Kumble

[PlayerComparisons]

Has Ashwin surpassed Kumble?

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

In terms of what?

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

It’s gotta be Ashwin.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Kumble. Better mo and both his eyes can look the same direction

 

[subshakerz]

Kumble. Not as good at home but more dependable overseas.

 

[ankitj]

Ashwin

 

[Flem274*]

Kumble. Bowled in the CEO pitch era without DRS.

 

[ankitj]

Kumble was always an understudy to at least 2 (some times 4) other contemporary spinners. Ashwin on the other hand has been near undisputed best spin bowler in the world for quite a while now. That plays on my mind when comparing the two.

 

[subshakerz]

Kumble was always an understudy to at least 2 (some times 4) other contemporary spinners. Ashwin on the other hand has been near undisputed best spin bowler in the world for quite a while now. That plays on my mind when comparing the two.

Yeah this is the Dale Steyn argument. Suffice it to say, Ashwin would also have been an understudy to Warne and Murali.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Kumble was probably a bit more solid away from home on some unhelpful decks especially in the second half of his career. But Ashwin was, in my opinion, our best bowler in a series win in Australia and kept Smith quiet in the first two games of the series. That performance has already become strangely underrated because he's been (stupidly) dropped since then and people have wrongly tried to portray his success on that tour as some secondary support act to the pacers. Being one of the primary reasons for a win in the spinners' graveyard is a pretty massive accomplishment. It's a tough one but I'm leaning Ashwin. Maybe.

 

[subshakerz]

Kumble was probably a bit more solid away from home on some unhelpful decks especially in the second half of his career. But Ashwin was, in my opinion, our best bowler in a series win in Australia and kept Smith quiet in the first two games of the series. That performance has already become strangely underrated because he's been (stupidly) dropped since then and people have wrongly tried to portray his success on that tour as some secondary support act to the pacers. Being one of the primary reasons for a win in the spinners' graveyard is a pretty massive accomplishment. It's a tough one but I'm leaning Ashwin. Maybe.

It was a good show but 12 wickets @ 28 is not much for a best ever away career performance. And he wasnt dropped for SA after that series but was toothless there.

I think Kumble's Australia tour in 2004 was a far better performance.

 

[OverratedSanity]

It was a good show but 12 wickets @ 28 is not much for a best ever away career performance. And he wasnt dropped for SA after that series but was toothless there.

I think Kumble's Australia tour in 2004 was a far better performance.

Far better is really stretching it. Kumble was great but a lot of those wickets were low impact big hauls. 6-150 type performances. Admirable but ashwin took out key wickets cheaply in the first two tests.

 

[subshakerz]

Far better is really stretching it. Kumble was great but a lot of those wickets were low impact big hauls. 6-150 type performances. Admirable but ashwin took out key wickets cheaply in the first two tests.

True but Kumble was facing an ATG batting lineup on roads. He did all that could be expected of any spinner. You have to see that performance in relation to how spinners fared in Australia that decade.

 

[subshakerz]

Ashwin fans can attack Kohli and Bumrah for sidelining Ashwin for Jadeja but can they really blame them? Do they believe Jadeja is less likely to take wickets than Ashwin?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Far better is really stretching it. Kumble was great but a lot of those wickets were low impact big hauls. 6-150 type performances. Admirable but ashwin took out key wickets cheaply in the first two tests.

This is right. From memory Kumble got plenty of late-innings declaration wickets in 2003/04

True but Kumble was facing an ATG batting lineup on roads. He did all that could be expected of any spinner. You have to see that performance in relation to how spinners fared in Australia that decade.

This is true too. The Aus batting line-ups are incomparable. Ashwin against the 2003/04 lineup wouldn't have averaged 28

 

[OverratedSanity]

Ashwin fans can attack Kohli and Bumrah for sidelining Ashwin for Jadeja but can they really blame them? Do they believe Jadeja is less likely to take wickets than Ashwin?

In England yes they can be blamed. Ashwin is way more likely to take wickets. Jadeja plays because of his batting.

 

[subshakerz]

In England yes they can be blamed. Ashwin is way more likely to take wickets. Jadeja plays because of his batting.

I will admit that he bowled well in the ICC final against NZ second innings so was surprised to see him dropped for the England series. But then the SA series happened and he looked pretty useless. Jadeja should have played there instead of him.

 

[honestbharani]

Jadeja is a better option in NZ and SA. Ashwin is a better option in Eng. They both should play in Aus.

 

[BazBall21]

Ashwin just. Suspect Ashwin would walk it, but given Chandra’s overseas record is probably the best of all Indian spinners that would be an interesting comparison.

 

[Shri]

ashwin