subshakerz
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If the result went the other way, the other side would have popped it up to hehe.
The entire thread has been a jinx for India really.
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Best team since Waugh/ Ponting’s Australia?
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The entire thread has been a jinx for India really.
Slifer
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Haha. Funny.
Chrish
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India probably would have won the game last time around had they decided not to leave; oh well karma and all. Serves us right. Any ways I am not upset about this loss. I would take 2-2 over past few debacles when visiting England anytime.
Loss in SA still hurts though.. like physically! This was the opportunity.
Loss in SA still hurts though.. like physically! This was the opportunity.
flibbertyjibber
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I think Smiths SA side possibly wasn't as good as the Strauss England side but the SA team were better for longer so earn a few extra points for that and just shade it.
subshakerz
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You mean that same Strauss side that Smith's SA beat at home in 2012?
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Hence our peak was shorter. We were on our way down already then.
Chrish
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We would smash them or any other team for that matter at home though..
Gob
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i have my doubts
Bijed
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I know Stokes is captain, but I think it would be more correct to refer to the team as "Bairstow, Root and the others"
GIMH
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The England team from 2010 to the end of 2011 was the best England team I’ve ever seen. How we’d have fared that year V SA I don’t know but we were a poor imitation of ourselves a year later for reasons I can’t fully understand
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SA were also quite clearly better in the drawn 09/10 series. IIRC England saved two games 9 down?
So the theory is that England’s peak, when they were better than SA at their best, just happened to perfectly bisect the times they faced SA. Sounds dumb af. I think it’s probably true though.
So the theory is that England’s peak, when they were better than SA at their best, just happened to perfectly bisect the times they faced SA. Sounds dumb af. I think it’s probably true though.
GIMH
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Bit of an aligning of the stars wasn’t it. Broad flying with bat and ball, Anderson sublime, Swann the best spinner in the world at the time. Bresnan/Tremlett both outstanding at first change. All of the top seven averaging 40+ at first, and then all bar Morgan when Colly retired. Cook and Bell in career best form.
You’re not wrong about the SA series but we did absolutely crush them in the game we won mind you.
Howe_zat
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It's reasonable to say that the England side from 2009-2013 was arguably better than SA over those years but they happened to play all their best series against teams that weren't SA. It's not really that their peak was so short it was between the 2009-10 and the 2012 series, because in late 2012 they beat India in India, which was a huge achievement and only looks harder to replicate as time goes on.
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England being better in 2009 is a very tough sell. In 2012 my read was that they were a bit past their best when they beat India away. Based on that doc that came out a while back I think the players felt the same way. Though it also suggested that Flower built that team on a cult-like intensity that couldn’t possibly be sustained.
I don’t remember SA ever feeling quite complete in the way that 2011 England did. SA always felt like they could beat anyone anywhere and lose to anyone anywhere. There were a lot of impressive series wins but not so many dominant ones.
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Yeah I don't really feel strongly about which of these teams was better, just saying that we ought not to just use the head-to-head series to decide which is a better side in general.
Slifer
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Agreed. But "smash" either one of Waugh's teams or Clive Lloyd’s? No. In any length test series I'd expect it to be an Indian win by a single test at most.
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The mental gymnastics this must take wow.
"We were better than that team but then we lost to that team because we just weren't as good that year but the other years we were better"
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