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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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TheJediBrah
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Disagree. Other than his first series in 2013-14 where he was an undeveloped player, forced to play as opener against the best bowling performance in the history of cricket (Johnson), he averages about 50 in Australia. On balance he's played on much more bowler-friendly wickets on his tours to Aus, and against better bowling, than Williamson has too. Willamson's managed to come to Aus when we've had some of the flattest pitches known to mankind. I can't speak much about either of their efforts in other places but I've seen all their games in Aus and Root has been more impressive all things considered, if only slightly.
You can't just look at basic stats and think they tell the whole story
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The duality of "stats don't tell the full story"
Flem274*
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Williamson's 3 tours of Australia are as follows
2011 when he was a child
2015 where he scored two tons on the same decks everyone lauds Kohli for, one in a batting shitshow at Brisbane on a deck that was not flat, Southee and Boult were just woefully unfit and bad. The second was on a flat one at Perth.
2019 he and the rest of the team failed and I hold this one against them. They should have done better, KW included.
Meanwhile Root has no tons in Aus from far more opportunities. In Asia Root is supreme though among arguably the entire fab 4.
TheJediBrah
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Apart from the 2015 road tour, on pitches so flat they sent Mitchell Johnson into retirement, KW averages 16 in Australia lol
I've seen all both their innings here, and Root has been definitively better than KW in Aus
I've seen all both their innings here, and Root has been definitively better than KW in Aus
Flem274*
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On ya son
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Oh yeah I agree and think he’s been unlucky that he hasn’t got to tour Australia against one of their weaker attacks around 2015 pre Cummins and peak Hazlewood and when Johnson was pretty much finished.
Expecting him to have a good tour at the age of 22 with less than a year of international experience as an opener against peak Johnson and Harris in 2013/2014 is ridiculous. He still made an 87 against this attack which is honestly worth a double ton.
In 2017/2018, he averaged like 47/48 against Cummins and Hazlewood, so not like he’s been poor every time. Made an 89 in the recent ashes which was flawless as well and deserved a ton.
Its still a big hole in his record though unfortunately. Should really have a big score there.
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Doubt it. Will prob burn out and retire in the next 2-3 years though
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Genuinely hilarious coming from flem of all people. You can't go a week without mentioning Anderson's away numbers and yet get defensive when it's pointed out KW's away record so far is pretty mediocre. Have some self awareness ffs.
33 in India, 33 in England, 21 in SA, 26 in SL. But hey he averaged 97 in Zim and 50 in Wi to get that away average over 40. Sad!
Also it's not selective. KW away from averages 44.66 in 45 tests with 11 tons. Noted HTB Virender Sehwag away from home averaged 44.65 in 52 tests with 10 tons. Hmmmmmmmm, very interesting ? ? ?
Kane's pretty face and "textbook " technique has blinded his (small) army of followers to the truth. Embarrassing.
honestbharani
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What was your argument against Anderson again?
Flem274*
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I haven't mentioned Anderson's away record in months, I don't think Sehwag is a HTB (he had some bad countries, but that doesn't make him a hometown specialist) and you longevity buffs should know a couple of those averages are samplesizelol (has a ton and 3 very low scores in SL from 4 tests, NZ won the test he tonned up in) and you've forgotten to include his tons in Australia and the UAE there.
I get it - one of the fab 4 must secretly be a fraud at all times - you'll just have to try harder and probably on someone else.
I get it - one of the fab 4 must secretly be a fraud at all times - you'll just have to try harder and probably on someone else.
Fuller Pilch
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Actually put Conway in there and the NZ batting quartet would be stronger
OverratedSanity
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No, the 44.6 avg, 11 tons is his entire record. No selective filters. (https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...;home_or_away=3;template=results;type=batting)
As a huge Sehwag fan, he was most definitely an HTB imo.
No he's not. But his away record so far is shite compared to Root.
Flem274*
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Sehwag played some pretty sick knocks in Australia and Pakistan, 2 of their most important opponents. He has questions to answer but not on the level of say Adam Voges or Henry Nicholls.
I didn't say Root's was bad? You guys need a get together to decide what you're arguing with. I argued KW is better than Root in Australia and unless you're trolling its pretty clear cut. In Asia, I said Root is arguably the best of the fab 4 from watching him and I suspect the statistics back it up. That's pretty high praise for his away record.
KW has 2 good games in England so ofc Root wins there, its KW in NZ too and SA probably goes to Root by default if he's even half competent since KW has 2-4 tests there for a high score of 80 odd not out (the one where Wagner just biffed at the other end).
Now you guys can all settle down and stop playing the Secret Fab Four Fraudster game kicked off by TJB biting on some masterful work from Fuller Pilch, the true master troll of this forum.
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I’m sure Williamson will fix his record in most places. He’s too good not to. He’s been ridicously good at home in recent years.
Im more concerned about Kohli who looks like he’s about to pull an Amla.
Im more concerned about Kohli who looks like he’s about to pull an Amla.
Flem274*
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That his terrible face reminds me of your posts
honestbharani
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And your face?
Flem274*
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my face reminds me of kohli's test batting average since 2020
trundler
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Nah, the discussion kicked off because I said Root is better than Williamson because of his superior away record, which it plainly is.
Come to think of it, Williamson's record right now pretty much mirrors Yousuf right now, except Yousuf played a much higher portion of matches away. Similar number of matches and both similarly good to watch too.
Come to think of it, Williamson's record right now pretty much mirrors Yousuf right now, except Yousuf played a much higher portion of matches away. Similar number of matches and both similarly good to watch too.
TheJediBrah
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Which is wrong