***Official New Zealand Domestic Season 2021/22***

[Kippax]

Honestly, the way he tries to make out that Taita's Henry Walsh, Nick Greenwood and Kieran McComb should all feel very hard done by that they're not in first-class cricket, that Tim Robinson is just some white ball biffer when he's made a nice 30 off 75 here, it's just pure negative social epistasis. Drizzly perpetually grumbling and unhappy Englishman sort of stuff. It helps no one.

 

[nzfan]

Thrilled that Wellington have picked Tim Robinson. An old timer at Onslow likens him to Fleming which may be a stretch but he's a talented ball striker.

William Clark also making his debut for CD and picked up Nicholls. Don't know much about him although see he played for NZ Under 19's a couple of years ago and gained some media coverage for his batting as a junior.

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Kid's done all right in the limited appearances so far. He's definitely a reasonable player. Best suited for middle to late middle order. Playing him ahead of Tom Blundell is something I can't understand. Tom should be at 5. At times it feels like the coach really likes Robinson so much so that he's happy to ignore established good players. I remember the t20s firebirds had some of the established players batting down the order to accommodate Robinson.

Robinson definitely looks a reasonable player and is in for a long haul. Hope they give him a good run and not write him off like they generally do after few failures.

Jakob Bhula development has been a bit worrying. His technique has changed so much over the years. Can't understand why the players can't stick to what worked for them to get to this stage. It doesn't feel the same player that had a great u19s and then his technique was way better than I see now.

 

[nzfan]

Honestly, the way he tries to make out that Taita's Henry Walsh, Nick Greenwood and Kieran McComb should all feel very hard done by that they're not in first-class cricket, that Tim Robinson is just some white ball biffer when he's made a nice 30 off 75 here, it's just pure negative social epistasis. Drizzly perpetually grumbling and unhappy Englishman sort of stuff. It helps no one.

I've seen lot of McComb brothers over the years. They're very skilled with the ball no doubt but without being negative about them players need to be fit these days to be able to be picked for first class sides. That was also the problem with Walsh. Unfortunately they are all very skilled but just don't have the fitness levels that's required to play professional cricket these days.

 

[SteveNZ]

Honestly, the way he tries to make out that Taita's Henry Walsh, Nick Greenwood and Kieran McComb should all feel very hard done by that they're not in first-class cricket, that Tim Robinson is just some white ball biffer when he's made a nice 30 off 75 here, it's just pure negative social epistasis. Drizzly perpetually grumbling and unhappy Englishman sort of stuff. It helps no one.

Not sure your acerbic analysis helps a lot, either.

 

[Kippax]

Yes in general I'd agree my analysis doesn't help much. But the likes of India and Bangladesh aren't currently in an ascendant phase with their cricket because their fans have tons of effortful control and never vent frustration with their players online. They don't have low expectations of their representatives.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Honestly, the way he tries to make out that Taita's Henry Walsh, Nick Greenwood and Kieran McComb should all feel very hard done by that they're not in first-class cricket, that Tim Robinson is just some white ball biffer when he's made a nice 30 off 75 here, it's just pure negative social epistasis. Drizzly perpetually grumbling and unhappy Englishman sort of stuff. It helps no one.

Great misrepresentation there. God knows when I last mentioned Walsh [2015, it turns out]. As to Tim Robinson, I was referring to a post which nzfan made when he was about to debut for Wellington in the SuperSmash which referred to him hitting a hard ball (this post: http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/thr...tic-season-2021-22.85311/page-26#post-4698230). And you’re doing some pretty unreasonable extrapolation with your assessment overall. I’ve already volunteered not to mention Taita cricketers again if you could halt with your psych001 crap, but no, you just plough on. Which brings me to…

… negative social epistasis. Are you just a **** these days, Kippax. That’s completely unreasonable. It’s particularly egregious from someone who seemingly espouses the advantages of particular ethnic backgrounds to fall back on geneticism.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

But on the epistasis point, I’m not contacting anyone at Cricket Wellington or offering any advice to any of these players. I couldn’t have much less to do with them if I tried. I’m literally commenting on a ****ing cricket forum about players I watch. I don’t pretend to have, not do I aspire to have any influence. I just come here to talk about cricket. I could just do without your racial and religious superiority tripe.

 

[nzfan]

But on the epistasis point, I’m not contacting anyone at Cricket Wellington or offering any advice to any of these players. I couldn’t have much less to do with them if I tried. I’m literally commenting on a ****ing cricket forum about players I watch. I don’t pretend to have, not do I aspire to have any influence. I just come here to talk about cricket. I could just do without your racial and religious superiority tripe.

I wouldn't worry about it mate. Just leave it at that. I don't believe what kippax says either but don't contest his opinions. It's his opinion and he has his opinions based on his experiences. Although it reads a bit offensive I don't think he's aiming at a race as inferior but meaning they aren't desperate enough and are happy go lucky which I don't subscribe to. There may be some truth in it though, generally immigrants work that much harder to make things happen. They can't afford to take things for granted I suppose having left their home country and in a fresh set up they have lot more to prove. They have to go the extra mile to make this happen.

I don't have such experiences, don't consider any race in any sports has an upper hand. I don't think just because of sub continent or South African or coaching background upbringing make them better cricketers. I do believe Indian background cricketers are generally good at batting because they have so many role models to follow unlike say black caps.

Our batting role models probably are Martin Crowe, Kane Williamson and Ross Taylor. The sub continent sides have so many batting role models a lot of sub continent players can relate to them. You follow the role models enough and put in the work things start to happen.

While I wrote this firebirds are three more down. There were like 3 sitters dropped in the meantime by Otago.

 

[nzfan]

Terrific knock by Cole on a testing deck.

Shockingly Ajaz hasn't had a wicket yet. This is likely 3rd inning in a row he hasn't had a wicket. Hopefully he'll bag the last three otherwise stead and Larsen will use these statistics to not pick him unless we're playing in sub continent

 

[jcas0167]

Kid's done all right in the limited appearances so far. He's definitely a reasonable player. Best suited for middle to late middle order. Playing him ahead of Tom Blundell is something I can't understand. Tom should be at 5. At times it feels like the coach really likes Robinson so much so that he's happy to ignore established good players. I remember the t20s firebirds had some of the established players batting down the order to accommodate Robinson.

Robinson definitely looks a reasonable player and is in for a long haul. Hope they give him a good run and not write him off like they generally do after few failures.

Jakob Bhula development has been a bit worrying. His technique has changed so much over the years. Can't understand why the players can't stick to what worked for them to get to this stage. It doesn't feel the same player that had a great u19s and then his technique was way better than I see now.

On a positive note I see Robinson followed Vishvaka and brought up a half-century on debut. Good to see more young Wellington players coming through.

There was a comment a few years ago that predicted a future Wellington top order once the likes of Woodcock, Papps and co had moved on. It definitely featured Ravindra, Johnson and maybe Weerasundara.

 

[Smudge]

If he were a white Wellingtonian boy, he'd be thinking he'd already made enough to be retired by the coach and get a special treat from dad on the way home. Little wonder Indians now make up three of Wellington's top 4 in this format.

And here's the moment where Kippax finally overreached on the self-indulgent claptrap he's typed on this forum for years.

 

[nzfan]

On a positive note I see Robinson followed Vishvaka and brought up a half-century on debut. Good to see more young Wellington players coming through.

There was a comment a few years ago that predicted a future Wellington top order once the likes of Woodcock, Papps and co had moved on. It definitely featured Ravindra, Johnson and maybe Weerasundara.

I was watching it live, a screen set up for white ferns and another switching between the two domestic games. Watched both Vishvaka and Robinson. Robinson didn't look out of place for a debutant. Showed good composure even when Otago went body line. Yes both players will need fair bit of development and that'll come with time. Vishvaka slightly different, strong off the front foot but once he's in the system he'll be helped to get over deficiencies. No one's perfect anyways.

Troy Johnson definitely one of the protege from Wellington. Like you said, Johnson, Ravindra and Raki were local super stars growing up. Strangely Raki is not even in the mix for A side. That's very disappointing. He clearly looked like a capable first class player at the very least. There's no reason why he couldn't have been given a run considering so many young players have had a chance.

 

[Flem274*]

It warms my heart how NZfan can just plow on with his optimistic posting through **** fights, seeing the good in everything.

 

[Flem274*]

Yes in general I'd agree my analysis doesn't help much. But the likes of India and Bangladesh aren't currently in an ascendant phase with their cricket because their fans have tons of effortful control and never vent frustration with their players online. They don't have low expectations of their representatives.

yea if there's one thing kiwi cwers are known for it is toeing the party line and never, ever venting frustration or calling a player ****.

 

[Bahnz]

Kippax abhoring the amoral decadence that brings forth the Anton Devcich’s of the world and yearning for more motivated upward-striving settlers to save NZ from itself will never stop being funny to me. Long may it continue.

 

[ataraxia]

Similar themes in both matches rn.

Batsman gets back into form with century (McConchie, Johnson), to form an overnight late-engine-room partnership with a tail-ender (Sheat, Newton). Ollie Newton slogging is particularly funny.

Blundell captaining Wellington. 5th to captain Wellington in two seasons; weird considering the normal captain isn't internationally-capped.

 

[ataraxia]

Ray Toole hit for 23 in an over, 5 boundaries by Sheat lol. Figures-ruining stuff.

 

[nzfan]

Won't lie it hurts to see Ajaz getting smashed. Just wish he grabs the last couple of wickets.

 

[nzfan]

Super stoked to see Troy Johnson absolutely smashing it. The kid has worked really hard at his game and seen lots of lows. He has very good number now in all formats. I thought Johnson was captaining, didn't know it was Blundell.

Johnson has made full use of the dropped catches, was dropped on 1. Wonder what must be going on in the mind of the player that dropped it

The way Otago is bowling, high chances Johnson could get to 200 here. There's a four every other ball.

 

[nzfan]

Ray Toole hit for 23 in an over, 5 boundaries by Sheat lol. Figures-ruining stuff.

Four fours and a six in fact. Now Johnson has hit 4 fours in a row to McKay.