Indian Cricket Dhaba

[karan_fromthestands]

On what basis was he dropped to begin with is the more pertinent question. Not saying his confidence isn't completely shot atm but the guy's been handled poorly to say the least.

True. The current setup looks to give everyone a fair chance. That's a good way to encourage players to play with freedom instead of being insecure and fighting for their spot. Earlier it was quite random. Everyone is well aware that Kuldeep wasn't handled well and he should get a few opportunities to determine whether he belongs. Great thinking.

 

[honestbharani]

Its very interesting that the same folks who think the management had no hand in the pace attack and the way it has come together think its them management's fault that Kuldeep was found out.

 

[Arachnodouche]

Well the "management" is as prone to random blunders as anyone. Personally I credit them for the seam attack and dislike them for continuing to expose Kuldeep in limited overs games after he was "found out". Initial success in ODIs notwithstanding, he's an old-fashioned Test match bowler at heart who needs aggressive fields and time to bowl himself in. He should've been pulled out as soon as things started going south and preserved exclusively for Tests.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Well the "management" is as prone to random blunders as anyone. Personally I credit them for the seam attack and dislike them for continuing to expose Kuldeep in limited overs games after he was "found out". Initial success in ODIs notwithstanding, he's an old-fashioned Test match bowler at heart who needs aggressive fields and time to bowl himself in. He should've been pulled out as soon as things started going south and preserved exclusively for Tests.

Pls no...

 

[ankitj]

Conjectured to be Boria mc

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1495076230713917441

 

[Daemon]

Lol. There’s always two sides tbf, tho this Boria does seem to be pushing hard for his new media platform.

It could be someone else obviously.

Interesting thing is the underlying story. Saha appears to be reaching out to multiple journos for some kind of piece?

 

[Spark]

That's not the only Saha-related drama apparently, there's also this:

India vs Sri Lanka: Disappointed Wriddhiman Saha not ready to quit | Cricket News - Times of India

Cricket News: A disappointed wicketkeeper Wriddhiman Saha vented out his frustration after being dropped from the India squad for the upcoming Test series against S

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

But this is is a bit hmmm:

after scoring 61 against NZ in Kanpur, Ganguly told me that I shouldn't worry about anything as long as he is in the BCCI. It boosted my confidence, I failed to understand why everything changed so fast

Why are players going around asking the board CEO about selection matters? Doesn't seem especially appropriate.

 

[honestbharani]

That's not the only Saha-related drama apparently, there's also this:

India vs Sri Lanka: Disappointed Wriddhiman Saha not ready to quit | Cricket News - Times of India

Cricket News: A disappointed wicketkeeper Wriddhiman Saha vented out his frustration after being dropped from the India squad for the upcoming Test series against S

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

But this is is a bit hmmm:



Why are players going around asking the board CEO about selection matters? Doesn't seem especially appropriate.

The problem is that its Ganguly and he himself was used to it because of Dalmiya. Also, a small thing but Ganguly is not the CEIO. He is the head of BCCI, a much bigger and more powerful role. The CEO is basically a role to run the company the way the strongman up top wants it to be run, as far as Indian, and perhaps all SC cricket, is concerned.

 

[Spark]

The problem is that its Ganguly and he himself was used to it because of Dalmiya. Also, a small thing but Ganguly is not the CEIO. He is the head of BCCI, a much bigger and more powerful role. The CEO is basically a role to run the company the way the strongman up top wants it to be run, as far as Indian, and perhaps all SC cricket, is concerned.

Yeah I did mean the head honcho of the BCCI but I couldn't for the life of me remember what that position was formally called.

 

[honestbharani]

Yeah I did mean the head honcho of the BCCI but I couldn't for the life of me remember what that position was formally called.

President of the BCCI, I think.

 

[Xix2565]

Something Ganguly shouldn't be anymore tbfh.

 

[cnerd123]

The SL Test squad is interesting. Five spinners picked, but only four seamers, suggests we'll be seeing the 3/2 combination throughout the series. Only 7 batters picked, out of which 4 are openers. Gill will probably be shoe-horned into the middle order at some point, tho I expect Kohli/Iyer/Vihari to start the series. Panchal and Kumar picked on the basis of A-Team performances and have good records in Ranji, so that's good to see. Very little overlap with the white-balls squad, which is pleasing as well. I also like that Kuldeep is back, we need a wrist spinner in red-ball cricket and he's got good qualities and will hopefully perform better under Dravid/Rohit.

The mechanisms of the BCCI selections have been dodgy forever. Ganguly's behaviour as president has been an issue too, but he's such a legend in the cricket circles, and the culture of cricket administration in India is such that no one's really going to rock the boat and call him out on it. Always takes us forever to make any changes in personnel, almost harder to get out of the coaching/selection/leadership circles than it is to get into them.

 

[cnerd123]

Great result for Madhya Pradesh this. Panchal is the Gujarat skipper, losing the first game of the season at the same time as being picked into the India squad must be a bit bitter sweet.

Manipur picked up an innings win despite scoring just 296 lol.

Twin centuries for Dhull on debut, he's on 113* again in the 2nd innings!

 

[cnerd123]

Round 1 is in the books. Wins for Maharashtra, Uttrakhand, Rajasthan, J&K, Madhya Pradesh, Kerela, Manipur, Nagaland, Chhattisgarh, Hyderabad and Bengal. Really good result for Bengal, bowled out Baroda for 88 and chased down 350 to win. I think they had a lot of players missing due to positive covid tests too.

Looking forward to seeing how the points tables shake out. Seems like a win is 6 points and there is a 7th bonus point on offer. Not sure how that's earned, is it for innings wins?

19 games in a round is a huge amount of cricket. Some noteworthy performances - SRK 194, Lalit Yadav 177, Dhull 113 + 113*, SRK's 194. Hanuma Vihari 59 + 106, Taruwar Kohli 151 + 101* in the Sakibul Gani game, Shubham Sharma 92 + 103 in MP's win, Parvez Rasool 10/85, Snehal Kauthankar 165* off 175 in the 3rd innings vs Odisha (who managed to hold on for a draw despite no Anshuman), Akash Vasisht 87 + 140 vs Punjab, and Pavan Shah 219 for Maharashtra, followed by Satyajeet Bachhav 7/45 to secure the innings victory.

Che Pu got a duck 1st innings for Saurashtra but then hit 91 off 83 in the follow-on, they managed to draw the game. SLA Shams Mulani with 11/169 on a dead track.

Jayant Yadav took 6/111 in 55 overs on a flat pitch draw too.

Saurabh Kumar, picked in the Test squad for his SLA bowling, hit 81* to help UP salvage a draw against Vidarbha. UP managed just 301 in the 1st innings and Faiz Fazal chased in next innings with 192, Kumar taking 3/160. Umesh Yadav 2/58 and 0/68 for Vidarbha.

There are two Shubham Sharma's playing - Rajasthan SLA and MP batting allrounder. Both had good games in round 1. Only 3 Shubham Sharmas ever, these two happening to coincide at the same time is a pleasing coincidence. We've got two Yuvraj Singh's playing as well, tho I suspect that's not as accidental.

 

[Apex Predator]

Conjectured to be Boria mc

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1495076230713917441

Boria actually used to back this guy.. I think.
Anyways right call has been made. Should have happened a lot earlier. Saha had to go.

 

[Xix2565]

The mechanisms of the BCCI selections have been dodgy forever.

I feel like they're only dodgy when they remain conservative for too long and don't make much changes. Otherwise apart from injuries and such no one selected has been that bad.

 

[Xix2565]

Saha had to go.

Bit harsh to say he had to go as if he still wasn't good enough to play.

 

[cnerd123]

I feel like they're only dodgy when they remain conservative for too long and don't make much changes. Otherwise apart from injuries and such no one selected has been that bad.

They base a lot of Test team selections on white-ball form, and a lot of white-ball selections on Ranji form. They also almost never give debuts to players that are older than early to mid-20s. Strange selections happen at A Team level too, it seems sometimes they're not looking at current Ranji form, which isn't necessarily wrong but somewhat strange.

 

[Xix2565]

They base a lot of Test team selections on white-ball form, and a lot of white-ball selections on Ranji form. They also almost never give debuts to players that are older than early to mid-20s. Strange selections happen at A Team level too, it seems sometimes they're not looking at current Ranji form, which isn't necessarily wrong but somewhat strange.

I mean which ones have purely been on white ball stuff in Tests, excluding injury crises? As for the other, I think you'll find bar a couple of people not many have been that much better to justify selection purely by merits. It's not perfect considering some people were essentially given up on but considering the overall success of the side it's not been that dubious.

 

[Arachnodouche]

Boria actually used to back this guy.. I think.
Anyways right call has been made. Should have happened a lot earlier. Saha had to go.

Pretty shabby way of retiring a 40-Test career. BCCI needs to up its communications game; that Saha-Dravid conversation if recounted accurately by Saha reflects rather poorly on the coach. Telling him his services are no longer wanted is one thing, asking him to contemplate other decisions i.e. retirement, is out of order.