England players and selection discussion thread

[honestbharani]

Would a simple swap of Broad for Woakes made this entire selection a better one?

 

[Xix2565]

Would a simple swap of Broad for Woakes made this entire selection a better one?

Rather Anderson in for Woakes if anything as the guy who bowls dead overs and keeps things tight. Only problem then is that England's light on batting, but it's a risk worth taking with a better bowler.

 

[theegyptian]

Broad and Anderson in for Woakes and Overton certainly does give the bowling a stronger look and you still give opportunities for Mahmood and Fisher. Would weaken the batting though which is a consideration however much people want to dismiss a bowlers contribution with the bat.

I can see why you might want to give opportunities to other bowlers. We've kinda accepted that county cricket is far from ideal in producing players at present. Too long stuck in county cricket and you could end up like Tom Helm or Olly Stone.

It did take Broad and Anderson plenty of time to become quality international bowlers.

 

[theegyptian]

Brook with a hundred in the PSL. Can see him potentially been a mainstay of the ODI and T20 middle order in the future. Hits the ball cleanly, moves around the crease to open up both sides of the wicket, and doesn't use up many dot balls. In an era where everyone wants to bat in the top order, Brook looks like he has the skills to bat in the middle order.

Plenty of batsman continuing to do excellent things in T20 leagues across the world. Smeed with 2 90s in the PSL, Will Jacks top runscorer in the BPL.

Could do with some bowling talent though, especially bowlers who can bowl at the death. Jordan continues to struggle but somehow got picked up for the IPL again.

 

[FBU]

Broad and Anderson in for Woakes and Overton certainly does give the bowling a stronger look and you still give opportunities for Mahmood and Fisher. Would weaken the batting though which is a consideration however much people want to dismiss a bowlers contribution with the bat.

I can see why you might want to give opportunities to other bowlers. We've kinda accepted that county cricket is far from ideal in producing players at present. Too long stuck in county cricket and you could end up like Tom Helm or Olly Stone.

It did take Broad and Anderson plenty of time to become quality international bowlers.

This is an opportunity for other bowlers but I bet that Mahmood, Overton, Fisher and Parkinson end up carrying drinks. They will go with the bowling attack that played the 1st Ashes Test. Found out that Wood can play 4 Tests, no drop in speeds so it won't be a case of giving him a rest to try out Mahmood. If England lose the first two Tests or there are injuries it might happen.

 

[Chubb]

This is really based on my own hangups and prejudices, but has anyone noticed how often son of a groundsman Dan Lawrence gets called "cheeky", "home-spun" or "a streetfighter" and son of a multi-millionaire Zak Crawley is called "classy", "technically correct" or "composed"?

 

[Shady Slim]

This is really based on my own hangups and prejudices, but has anyone noticed how often son of a groundsman Dan Lawrence gets called "cheeky", "home-spun" or "a streetfighter" and son of a multi-millionaire Zak Crawley is called "classy", "technically correct" or "composed"?

i raised a similar take during the ashes but the reclusive smoothbrained polity that is everyone on cricketweb other than me couldn't handle it

 

[Chubb]

i raised a similar take during the ashes but the reclusive smoothbrained polity that is everyone on cricketweb other than me couldn't handle it

Thing is I do get why you would use terms like that to describe an Essex boy with an unorthodox technique. But the English media don't describe the private schoolboys as having homespun techniques or being streetfighters.

 

[Prince EWS]

This is really based on my own hangups and prejudices, but has anyone noticed how often son of a groundsman Dan Lawrence gets called "cheeky", "home-spun" or "a streetfighter" and son of a multi-millionaire Zak Crawley is called "classy", "technically correct" or "composed"?

You're obsessed.

 

[Chubb]

You're obsessed.

Why do they use words like that about Lawrence, and not Crawley, though? Isn't Lawrence composed? Isn't he classy? Why do they fall back on these lazy stereotypes?

 

[FBU]

This is really based on my own hangups and prejudices, but has anyone noticed how often son of a groundsman Dan Lawrence gets called "cheeky", "home-spun" or "a streetfighter" and son of a multi-millionaire Zak Crawley is called "classy", "technically correct" or "composed"?

I think Lawrence is a streetfighter. Lawrence's brother is pro wrestler.
Noticed Stokes had to swop the two because of Lawrence's better athletic fielding.

 

[Shady Slim]

Thing is I do get why you would use terms like that to describe an Essex boy with an unorthodox technique. But the English media don't describe the private schoolboys as having homespun techniques or being streetfighters.

the point i made during the ashes was when crawley came in for hameed, i posited that part of the reason the commentators felt he looked such more of a test cricketer than hameed did, putting aside the fact that hameed's confidence was in tatters, a part of it was that crawley's a tall white bloke cf to hameed who's a skinny brown fella

which doesn't say, as was said by the smoothbrains, that i was claiming hameed was a better bat; just that at some subconscious level crawley was said to have looked the part for reasons other than cricketing ability

 

[Chubb]

I think Crawley is a very talented, hard-working, driven cricketer. But I do find it interesting how he and others from similar backgrounds are written about, compared to how the media write about similarly talented, hard-working, driven players from different backgrounds. Given the ongoing drift of English cricket into a niche sport, I think it's an interesting thing to discuss.

 

[Shady Slim]

I think Crawley is a very talented, hard-working, driven cricketer. But I do find it interesting how he and others from similar backgrounds are written about, compared to how the media write about similarly talented, hard-working, driven players from different backgrounds. Given the ongoing drift of English cricket into a niche sport, I think it's an interesting thing to discuss.

110%

 

[Prince EWS]

I think it's an interesting thing to discuss.

We noticed.

 

[honestbharani]

So now that Lawrence has done well too, good time to remind people of these posts...

Road to the Ashes 2021/22

Not an England fan, but my word I'd have loved to have seen Livingstone in this series. In all likelihood he'd probably be really inconsistent, but looking at it from a pure entertainment angle then it's a great letdown he's not involved imo.

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Road to the Ashes 2021/22

Yes, also against way better bowlers Never seen anyone who looked as comfortable as Mark was against great fast blowers

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Road to the Ashes 2021/22

You’re all wankers Just ignore them like I do........oh wait.... Yep, pack of ****ing wankers.

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And I actually hedged my bets in this one and put Buttler as the keeper ahead of Lawrence, even though in the actual post I said I would play Lawrence.

Road to the Ashes 2021/22

And if he doesn't play Root will do the bowling instead. Gonna be some fun figures either way. I'm effectively saying that Lawrence's bowling is a thing which will attract them to selecting him, so he and Root can be 1/2 a spin bowler each.

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[Immenso]

the point i made during the ashes was when crawley came in for hameed, i posited that part of the reason the commentators felt he looked such more of a test cricketer than hameed did, putting aside the fact that hameed's confidence was in tatters, a part of it was that crawley's a tall white bloke cf to hameed who's a skinny brown fella

which doesn't say, as was said by the smoothbrains, that i was claiming hameed was a better bat; just that at some subconscious level crawley was said to have looked the part for reasons other than cricketing ability

Hmmm

But weren't the same comparisons also made between Crawley and Sibley/Burns when that was the top 3 that most pundits wanted to cull one from. But their outputs were similar.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Just keep picking Broad and Anderson until one of them dies.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

The ECB have allegedly sounded out Marcus North to replace Ashley Giles. The Ashes are coming home......?

 

[ImpatientLime]

that has to be it for Root surely. I don't even think a 'specialist captain' being pulled into the side is a ridiculous idea given how there is only one serious batsman in the team already.

that "captaincy" in the morning session was probably the worst I've seen from a test match captain since shiv had the west indian job