Wasim Akram vs Allan Donald

[Pap Finn Keighl]

I give up. You win.

Dont you think, Akram would have been rated higher if he retired after 1997 compared to now?

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

There is a difference between rating skills and rating career performance.

In other words, peer ratings hold zero value. Noted.

 

[h_hurricane]

Dont you think, Akram would have been rated higher if he retired after 1997 compared to now?

Arguably no. Unarguably no.

Your comparison regarding longevity between Akram and Mcgrath makes sense only if they had comparable workloads since they were contemporaries. Through his 17 year career, Akram bowled only 1331 deliveries per year. Mcgrath bowled 2221 per year through his career. Mcgrath's far greater workload cancels out Akram's longevity. You would have a valid point if Mcgrath played only like 80 tests in those 12 years, not when he played 124.

What else was Mcgrath supposed to do ? Play 1 test every year between 2007 and 2011, take 1-100 or something like that every match to get some artificial longevity ?

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Arguably no. Unarguably no.

Your comparison regarding longevity between Akram and Mcgrath makes sense only if they had comparable workloads since they were contemporaries. Through his 17 year career, Akram bowled only 1331 deliveries per year. Mcgrath bowled 2221 per year through his career. Mcgrath's far greater workload cancels out Akram's longevity. You would have a valid point if Mcgrath played only like 80 tests in those 12 years, not when he played 124.

What else was Mcgrath supposed to do ? Play 1 test every year between 2007 and 2011, take 1-100 or something like that every match to get some artificial longevity ?

I meant 13 year career Akram vs 17 year career Akram.

 

[Bolo.]

In his first 13 years, Akram did not bowl in nearly 30% of the innings Pakistan did. If he had to play through injury enough to make it to 243 innings in this timeframe, he probably would have ended up averaging 30.

This kind of extrapolation is obviously no way to judge him. He is not a 30 average bowler or a 600 wickets bowler.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

In his first 13 years, Akram did not bowl in nearly 30% of the innings Pakistan did. If he had to play through injury enough to make it to 243 innings in this timeframe, he probably would have ended up averaging 30.

This kind of extrapolation is obviously no way to judge him. He is not a 30 average bowler or a 600 wickets bowler.

So, Whats the point in comparing WPM?

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Akram and Mcgrath both missed 20% of the matches / innings their team played in their first 13 years. ?

 

[Bolo.]

So, Whats the point in comparing WPM?

Whatever the issues with WPM (or the marginally better WPI), the issue is the clearly invalid extrapolation. We have actual numbers to go off.

Akram and Mcgrath both missed 20% of the matches / innings their team played in their first 13 years. ?

You are making the opposite point to what you believe. If Akram missed bowling in 20% of matches but 30% of the innings Pak bowled in, he was either out injured in the second innings a lot, or Pak was worse at bowling the opposition out when he played.

 

[Coronis]

In other words, peer ratings hold zero value. Noted.

They don’t hold zero value, but for me they’re not very important. If I rate two players equally then I might use it as a tiebreak but thats it.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Whatever the issues with WPM (or the marginally better WPI), the issue is the clearly invalid extrapolation. We have actual numbers to go off.

Actual numbers also suffer from Work load difference.

 

[Johan]

Always felt Donald was better of the two while wasim was better to watch ( tho both were bangers)

 

[BazBall21]

White Lightning winning! That defies conventional opinion outside this forum.

 

[subshakerz]

White Lightning winning! That defies conventional opinion outside this forum.

As time passes, reputation will mean less and stats will mean more.

 

[TheTracerBoy]

Wasim Akram was the best cricketer and bowler. His bowling action and the delivery throw were outstanding. His Yorker length was also fantastic. I loved watching his bowling; he is the only bowler by which I was greatly inspired. If you want to find potent bowlers while watching 90s cricket, then Wasim Akram is the one I'd recommend.

 

[Shady Slim]

Wasim Akram was the best cricketer and bowler. His bowling action and the delivery throw were outstanding. His Yorker length was also fantastic. I loved watching his bowling; he is the only bowler by which I was greatly inspired. If you want to find potent bowlers while watching 90s cricket, then Wasim Akram is the one I'd recommend.