Best team since Waugh/ Ponting’s Australia?

[subshakerz]

You are talking as if this Indian team are scrubs away. Their records in SL/WI/Aus are as good if not better than that SA team.

Ind's record in SL - 2-1, 3-0
WI - 2-0, 2-0
Aus - 2-1, 2-1

Dude, you are missing the point I was responding to.

 

[sunilz]

I think @subshakerz has extremely valid regarding India's overseas record. Any great side worth its name should be able to defeat current ENG and SA side overseas. If we fail in either of these tasks then we don't deserve to be called one.

Otherwise statistically there is no doubt that Ashwin is a bigger match winner than Shane Warne. But will anyone really consider Ashwin greater than Warne ?

 

[CricAddict]

I think @subshakerz has extremely valid regarding India's overseas record. Any great side worth its name should be able to defeat current ENG and SA side overseas. If we fail in either of these tasks then we don't deserve to be called one.

Otherwise statistically there is no doubt that Ashwin is a bigger match winner than Shane Warne. But will anyone really consider Ashwin greater than Warne ?

Yes. Ashwin.

 

[sunilz]

Yes. Ashwin.

Why do you say this ?

 

[Teja.]

Why do you say this ?

He is saying Ashwin will consider himself greater.

 

[sunilz]

He is saying Ashwin will consider himself greater.

But why do you people think like this about Ashwin? Is he really that arrogant?

 

[srbhkshk]

Why shouldn't he? Greatness being defined by being good in all conditions is a narrow stats minded concept (Not saying it's wrong), there can be plenty other criterion - which are all subjective depending on what a person weighs as important in his eyes.

What's so arrogant about that?

 

[Teja.]

But why do you people think like this about Ashwin? Is he really that arrogant?

I crowdsourced this sample from Ashwin’s old website just for you. Full credit to @vcs for refinding it.

 

[sunilz]

I crowdsourced this sample from Ashwin’s old website just for you. Full credit to @vcs for refinding it.

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But this must be written by Ashwin's marketing team. I won't fault him here. Unless you praise yourself in advertising, no one else will praise you.

 

[_00_deathscar]

I crowdsourced this sample from Ashwin’s old website just for you. Full credit to @vcs for refinding it.

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Inspired by Michael Owen?

 

[Teja.]

But this must be written by Ashwin's marketing team. I won't fault him here. Unless you praise yourself in advertising, no one else will praise you.

I know. Still fun though. Credit: @OverratedSanity

 

[nightprowler10]

Johnson was actually really really good in that series. Misbah and Younis just made a very conscious decision to not attack him, at all, and be incredibly cautious against him, and the pitches meant he couldn't just blast them out if they refused to play a shot against him. He ended up going at like 1.5 rpo an over across both games.

He was let down by the lack of pressure at the other end more than anything else. There was nothing wrong with his bowling.

I recall him being Australia's best bowler in that series anyway.

 

[Slifer]

WI 80's peak had Greenidge, Haynes, Richards, Richardson, LLoyd and Gomes. That top six is comparable to anyone, Aus possibly being a bit better.

Personally, I prefer the top 6 that beat Oz 2-0 in 79-80: Greenidge, Haynes, Viv, Kallicharan, Rowe, Lloyd. Kalli especially because he was both a very good player of pace and excellent vs spin.

 

[Slifer]

Yes, I forgot to consider Lloyd and Haynes here, but I would fancy the Indian batting from 2009-2010 period and the English batting from 2010-2011 to notch up more 650+ scores on good batting wickets. West Indians had aggressive batsmen but they would barely accumulate runs.

Haynes was a notorious HTB but Lloyd was quality. I'd agree that India with any of the following: Sehwag, Dravid, Sachin, Laxman, were probably better than the WI. England no!!

 

[Chrish]

Current Indian side is dominant at home but by no means unbeatable. Take 2016-17 border Gavaskar for example (can’t believe it has been that long). In the first game we were smoked. And all other three games were hard-fought. In the last game if it wasn’t for contribution from tail in the first inning (Jadeja scored 60), we might have lost. It was close and could have gone the other way.

Of course this was attributed to once in a lifetime performance from Smith, but it shows that teams with strong batting lineups can push India into back-seat. They aren’t invincible!

 

[Flem274*]

England won a test last year didn't they? I wonder what happens in a parallel universe where they go for the kill and narrowly win the series instead of rotating the team and batting like dicks.

 

[Slifer]

England won a test last year didn't they? I wonder what happens in a parallel universe where they go for the kill and narrowly win the series instead of rotating the team and batting like dicks.

As you know, that test England won doesn't count because all of India's key players were injured, sick , (insert excuses)....

 

[Xix2565]

England won a test last year didn't they? I wonder what happens in a parallel universe where they go for the kill and narrowly win the series instead of rotating the team and batting like dicks.

Hard to say that really. We did comprehensively thrash them in the next match, then the bad rotation amd pitch reading really began at Ahmedabad. Arguably could've done better in the last Test with an actual fast bowler along with Anderson and Stokes. Plus over the series they ended up getting exposed against spin, don't think that wouldn't necessarily happen even if they planned better.

 

[PaulLennon]

Current Indian side is dominant at home but by no means unbeatable. Take 2016-17 border Gavaskar for example (can’t believe it has been that long). In the first game we were smoked. And all other three games were hard-fought. In the last game if it wasn’t for contribution from tail in the first inning (Jadeja scored 60), we might have lost. It was close and could have gone the other way.

Of course this was attributed to once in a lifetime performance from Smith, but it shows that teams with strong batting lineups can push India into back-seat. They aren’t invincible!

Losing 2 home matches in the last 8-9 years is invincible. Even 80s WI and 90s-00s Australia lost more.

 

[PaulLennon]

As you know, that test England won doesn't count because all of India's key players were injured, sick , (insert excuses)....

Don't be salty. No tests won against India in the last 20 years. Even 80s WI couldnt do that against India.